Does God have body parts and passions
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:39 am
Mormonism straw man perpetrated by below link and others
https://www.LDS.org/ensign/2007/11/the- ... t?lang=eng
One of the interesting things Mormons teach is that Traditional Christians teach God is without body, parts and Passions when discussing the early Creeds of the Christian Faith. Last week I met with two missionary sisters who brought along two older Mormons a Husband and wife born in the 1940s like me and the first thing the wife accused me was believing in was a God with out body, parts, or passions . I told her none of the early creeds taught that and she was misinformed since Jesus is God with body parts and passions
1 Timothy 2
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
To be a man like Jesus in heaven you have a body parts and passions. Parts could mean Jesus like all humans have body soul and spirit, three parts. "Jesus wept" the must mean passions. So why would the Creeds teach a false doctrine like Jeffrey R Holland and Le Grand Richards would teach as Mormon authorities
another source of this accusation and lie from LDS authorities would be from In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards . I'm sure their plenty more but these I remember
The Visit of the Father and Son is from Le Grand Richards book where he quotes something from the Liahona which is a quote from a 17th century confession of faith called Westminster confession and not a major Creed . Yet both leaders try to have us believe it is a early Creed both statements are very deceptive and Mormons propagate this deception just like this couple did last week
Let us examine the description of the God of the Presbyterian Church:
There is but one living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his immutable and righteous will, for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and with all most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Presbyterian Church Confession of Faith, chap. 2, art. 1, quoted from Liahona, op. cit., p. 269.)
Other leaders of Mormonism teaching this information and lies
Joseph Smith and the Doctrinal Restoration
by Sperry Symposium
The Body of God and the Bodies of His Children
Seeing in vision the glorious bodies of the Father and the Son must have been pivotal for Joseph's understanding of the human body, as demonstrated by the fact that He utterly rejected the God of the creeds when he stated, "That which is without body, parts, and passions is nothing."30 Elder Parley P. Pratt, in his Key to the Science of Theology, elaborated on this thesis.31
Journal of Discourses, vol. 19
Yet this is incorporated in the articles of faith of some of the Christian societies and especially in their theological writings. They try to make spiritual existence as mysterious as they possibly can, and often declare our Father and God to be a person, and yet, according to their articles of faith, he is said to be without body, parts or passions, as though we could comprehend the existence of something without a body or parts.
Journal of Discourses, vol. 5
Some of you, my hearers, may be surprised, especially the rising generation growing up in these valleys, when I tell you that there are millions of Christians (so called), who believe that God occupies no space, that is, as a body, and yet is a person. You read the 39 Articles of the Methodists, which are more or less copied from those of the Church of England. In the Methodist discipline it reads: We believe in one God, consisting of three persons, without body, without parts, without passions.
They may shoot, and they will see Brigham a little to one side, and Heber in another place, and fire away—at what? At shadows. We shall live as long as the Lord wants us to. They may lie and write lies, and they may stay here, if they behave themselves; but if they do not stop their devilish conduct they will be overtaken; for we will make their words true in regard to their being in danger, if they persist in their efforts to bring destruction upon us. We do not ask any odds of them, nor of hell, nor of the world. We only ask favours of our God; and He is the Being we serve: to Him we go; and we do not pray to a God without body, parts, passions, or principles; for we do not serve such a personage. We serve the living and true God, who has body, and parts, and passions, and feelings for His children; and the wicked may help themselves the best they can. Amen.
Mormon Doctrine of Deity
by B. H. Roberts
sectarianism! O atheism!! O annihilation!!! Who can perceive the nice shades of difference between the one and the other? They seem alike all but in name. The atheist has no God.
The sectarian has a God without body or parts. Who can define the difference? for our part we do not perceive a difference of a single hair; they both claim to be the negative of all things which exist—and both are equally powerless and unknown.
The atheist has no after life, or conscious existence beyond the grave.
The sectarian has one, but it is immaterial like his God; and without body or parts. Here again both are negative, and both are at the same point. Their faith and hope amount to the same, only they are expressed by different terms.
Mormon Doctrine
by Bruce R. McConkie
Passions
See ANGER, HATRED, LOVE, PASSION OF Christ. Emotional feelings of love, ardor, affection, hate, anger, bitterness, and the like, are collectively called passions. To exhibit these or kindred emotions is to show passion. To be passionless is to display neither anger, love, or other emotion; it is to be tranquil and unmoved. Passions are of two kinds: 1. Holy passions such as love, hatred of evil, and righteous anger, which incite to godliness; and 2. Unholy passions such as jealousy, hate, and unbridled sex desires, which lead men downward.
Passions appertain to and are a part of every stage of existence; spirits in pre-existence, mortal men, and immortal beings all are subject to passions of one sort or another. God himself is the embodiment, in perfection, of every holy and pure passion. He is a jealous God (Ex. 20:5), so much so that Jealous is his very name. (Ex. 34:14.) He is a God of love (1 John 4:7-21); he hates evil abominations (Prov. 6:16-19), and so forth.
The falsity of statements in sectarian creeds that their Deity is without body, parts, and passions, is only exceeded by the absurdity of such assertions. A God without passions cannot exist, for he would neither love his children, hate their evil ways, or be importuned by their pleas for mercy; he would sit tranquilly by, being neither moved nor affected by any occurrence, reacting neither to good or evil, and hence able to bestow no rewards and impose no penalties. As Lehi said, he would "have vanished away." (2 Ne. 2:11-13.)
Appetites, desires, and passions which incite to evil are part of the nature of mortal man. (Acts 14:15; Jas. 5:17; Alma 50:30.) Fallen man is by nature carnal, sensual, and devilish. (Moses 5:13; D. & C. 20:20; Mosiah 3:19; Alma 42:10.) One of the great purposes of mortality is to test him and see if he will bridle his passions. (Alma 38:12.) Incontinency, which is lack of restraint and failure to bridle one's passions (particularly where sex desires are concerned), is one of the modern day signs proving the great apostasy. (2 Tim. 3:3.)
It would be interesting for these blind guides to produce a Creed that teaches God has no body Parts or Passions
They seem to cling to a 17th century confession called the Westminster Confession, which most Traditional Christian haven't heard of or would careless what it taught
https://www.LDS.org/ensign/2007/11/the- ... t?lang=eng
One of the interesting things Mormons teach is that Traditional Christians teach God is without body, parts and Passions when discussing the early Creeds of the Christian Faith. Last week I met with two missionary sisters who brought along two older Mormons a Husband and wife born in the 1940s like me and the first thing the wife accused me was believing in was a God with out body, parts, or passions . I told her none of the early creeds taught that and she was misinformed since Jesus is God with body parts and passions
1 Timothy 2
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
To be a man like Jesus in heaven you have a body parts and passions. Parts could mean Jesus like all humans have body soul and spirit, three parts. "Jesus wept" the must mean passions. So why would the Creeds teach a false doctrine like Jeffrey R Holland and Le Grand Richards would teach as Mormon authorities
another source of this accusation and lie from LDS authorities would be from In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards . I'm sure their plenty more but these I remember
The Visit of the Father and Son is from Le Grand Richards book where he quotes something from the Liahona which is a quote from a 17th century confession of faith called Westminster confession and not a major Creed . Yet both leaders try to have us believe it is a early Creed both statements are very deceptive and Mormons propagate this deception just like this couple did last week
Let us examine the description of the God of the Presbyterian Church:
There is but one living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his immutable and righteous will, for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and with all most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Presbyterian Church Confession of Faith, chap. 2, art. 1, quoted from Liahona, op. cit., p. 269.)
Other leaders of Mormonism teaching this information and lies
Joseph Smith and the Doctrinal Restoration
by Sperry Symposium
The Body of God and the Bodies of His Children
Seeing in vision the glorious bodies of the Father and the Son must have been pivotal for Joseph's understanding of the human body, as demonstrated by the fact that He utterly rejected the God of the creeds when he stated, "That which is without body, parts, and passions is nothing."30 Elder Parley P. Pratt, in his Key to the Science of Theology, elaborated on this thesis.31
Journal of Discourses, vol. 19
Yet this is incorporated in the articles of faith of some of the Christian societies and especially in their theological writings. They try to make spiritual existence as mysterious as they possibly can, and often declare our Father and God to be a person, and yet, according to their articles of faith, he is said to be without body, parts or passions, as though we could comprehend the existence of something without a body or parts.
Journal of Discourses, vol. 5
Some of you, my hearers, may be surprised, especially the rising generation growing up in these valleys, when I tell you that there are millions of Christians (so called), who believe that God occupies no space, that is, as a body, and yet is a person. You read the 39 Articles of the Methodists, which are more or less copied from those of the Church of England. In the Methodist discipline it reads: We believe in one God, consisting of three persons, without body, without parts, without passions.
They may shoot, and they will see Brigham a little to one side, and Heber in another place, and fire away—at what? At shadows. We shall live as long as the Lord wants us to. They may lie and write lies, and they may stay here, if they behave themselves; but if they do not stop their devilish conduct they will be overtaken; for we will make their words true in regard to their being in danger, if they persist in their efforts to bring destruction upon us. We do not ask any odds of them, nor of hell, nor of the world. We only ask favours of our God; and He is the Being we serve: to Him we go; and we do not pray to a God without body, parts, passions, or principles; for we do not serve such a personage. We serve the living and true God, who has body, and parts, and passions, and feelings for His children; and the wicked may help themselves the best they can. Amen.
Mormon Doctrine of Deity
by B. H. Roberts
sectarianism! O atheism!! O annihilation!!! Who can perceive the nice shades of difference between the one and the other? They seem alike all but in name. The atheist has no God.
The sectarian has a God without body or parts. Who can define the difference? for our part we do not perceive a difference of a single hair; they both claim to be the negative of all things which exist—and both are equally powerless and unknown.
The atheist has no after life, or conscious existence beyond the grave.
The sectarian has one, but it is immaterial like his God; and without body or parts. Here again both are negative, and both are at the same point. Their faith and hope amount to the same, only they are expressed by different terms.
Mormon Doctrine
by Bruce R. McConkie
Passions
See ANGER, HATRED, LOVE, PASSION OF Christ. Emotional feelings of love, ardor, affection, hate, anger, bitterness, and the like, are collectively called passions. To exhibit these or kindred emotions is to show passion. To be passionless is to display neither anger, love, or other emotion; it is to be tranquil and unmoved. Passions are of two kinds: 1. Holy passions such as love, hatred of evil, and righteous anger, which incite to godliness; and 2. Unholy passions such as jealousy, hate, and unbridled sex desires, which lead men downward.
Passions appertain to and are a part of every stage of existence; spirits in pre-existence, mortal men, and immortal beings all are subject to passions of one sort or another. God himself is the embodiment, in perfection, of every holy and pure passion. He is a jealous God (Ex. 20:5), so much so that Jealous is his very name. (Ex. 34:14.) He is a God of love (1 John 4:7-21); he hates evil abominations (Prov. 6:16-19), and so forth.
The falsity of statements in sectarian creeds that their Deity is without body, parts, and passions, is only exceeded by the absurdity of such assertions. A God without passions cannot exist, for he would neither love his children, hate their evil ways, or be importuned by their pleas for mercy; he would sit tranquilly by, being neither moved nor affected by any occurrence, reacting neither to good or evil, and hence able to bestow no rewards and impose no penalties. As Lehi said, he would "have vanished away." (2 Ne. 2:11-13.)
Appetites, desires, and passions which incite to evil are part of the nature of mortal man. (Acts 14:15; Jas. 5:17; Alma 50:30.) Fallen man is by nature carnal, sensual, and devilish. (Moses 5:13; D. & C. 20:20; Mosiah 3:19; Alma 42:10.) One of the great purposes of mortality is to test him and see if he will bridle his passions. (Alma 38:12.) Incontinency, which is lack of restraint and failure to bridle one's passions (particularly where sex desires are concerned), is one of the modern day signs proving the great apostasy. (2 Tim. 3:3.)
It would be interesting for these blind guides to produce a Creed that teaches God has no body Parts or Passions
They seem to cling to a 17th century confession called the Westminster Confession, which most Traditional Christian haven't heard of or would careless what it taught
