Problems thus far with the Book of Mormon!

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Re: Problems thus far with the Book of Mormon!

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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:[ One's eternal well-being doesn't hang on Aesop's Fables, The Brother's Grimm Fairy Tales, Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes, or on Harry Potter. The Book of Mormon is passed off as scripture. And while it does contain passages from the Bible, this doesn't make it GOD breathed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. And since the Book of Mormon is the foundation upon which a religious sect rests its doctrine and authority, it makes no sense not to hold it to the same standards as the Holy Bible.


So one's eternal well-being hangs on Moses' fables, Abraham's fables, Paul's fables. Much better. :lol:
And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Maksutov wrote:
So one's eternal well-being hangs on Moses' fables, Abraham's fables, Paul's fables. Much better. :lol:
And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.


No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:] And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.


No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:


You clearly have deceived yourself or maybe you are the victim of Mormonism and its bases in "feelings," and a trust in human leadership. Man is the creator (with GOD's decree) of advanced technology, either directly or indirectly. I know of no technological advance that sprang up without a designer/fabricator. And, the educators, doctors, artists, actors, scientists, fabricators, mechanics, farmers, etc., etc., etc. are all an extension of their CREATOR and not your need to eliminate the one who created DNA and the entire Universe and replace it with Secular Humanistic Atheism. Sorry, but humans who are allergic to milk or peanuts do not prove evolution, anymore than white or black.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Maksutov wrote:
No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:


You clearly have deceived yourself or maybe you are the victim of Mormonism and it's bases in "feelings," and a trust in human leadership. Man is the creator (with GOD's decree) of advanced technology, either directly or indirectly. I know of no technological advance that sprang up without a designer/fabricator. And, the educators, doctors, artists, actors, scientists, fabricators, mechanics, farmers, etc., etc., etc. are all an extension of their CREATOR and not your need to eliminate the one who created DNA and the entire Universe and replace it with Secular Humanistic Atheism. Sorry, but humans who are allergic to milk or peanuts do not prove evolution, anymore than white or black.


I'm sorry your education was so dismal. But you did insist on continuing with that creationist warehouse in Colorado that stocks up on nonsense.

There is no need for your "CREATOR" to explain anything. This has been true for centuries. God didn't create science or the Bible wouldn't be such an unscientific mess. The screen you're reading right now was created by man, without God. You are blaspheming right now. :lol:

The Bible preserves all kinds of cultural errors. We can learn the most from the Bible by recognizing its human origins and improving upon them with science. And that's what the world is doing and has been for many generations. The aggressive silliness and bigotry from religionists is one reason young people are leaving religion. They can see through the lies and hypocrisy and the futility of people copying religious texts ad nauseam without adding to human understanding. :wink:

But you're definitely right about the Book of Mormon. As much of a mess as the Bible is, the Book of Mormon is an obvious fraud. The Bible was put together by ignorant people trying to understand what had happened to them. The Book of Mormon is a fiction created mostly by one deeply dishonest man to make money and get power and women. The End. :lol:
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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Re: Problems thus far with the Book of Mormon!

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moksha wrote:That said, perhaps this so-called "Laban" was the six-fingered man who killed Inigo's father. That might have been the reason he had to die.


Moksha, your posts are a gift.
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IS THE Bible AT ODDS WITH SCIENCE?
This was posted by The International Bible Society

The Bible tells us that miracles happen! The birth of Jesus to a virgin, and His resurrection from the grave are cardinal elements in the faith of Christians. The origin of life itself stems from the mind and act of God. Incredibly, some scientists teach that we evolved from single cells, which in turn developed over billions of years from electrical charges. In the face of the amazing complexity of living beings, they still find no evidence of intelligent design in the universe.

Thus science is often pitted against the Bible, but everything depends on what we mean by science. Science is based on careful observation, on precise description of natural events and phenomena. Scientific conclusions are based solely on reasoning from factual evidence. Every Christian should have great respect for the scientific method and accept its validity. However, some well-meaning Christians take the position that science and the Bible are implacable enemies, and they go through life with a chip on their shoulders. This attitude contributes nothing to anyone’s understanding.

Unfortunately, some scientists regard the Bible as an antiquated collection of myths and primitive nonsense. In their worldview there is no place for intelligent design. Once they have dismissed the Bible they look down on believers as people still trapped in their outdated faith systems. The two sides appear to be locked in endless conflict.

Both sides could use a dose of humility. We remember that when Nicolaus Copernicus declared that the Earth was not the center of the universe, he was declared a heretic. Later, Galileo was put on trial for declaring that the sun was the center of our solar system. Church authorities demanded that they recant. (It should be noted that the Bible itself is not the culprit in this conflict.)

Clearly science has made astonishing discoveries and exposed entrenched beliefs as false. Every Christian should support the quest of science as it seeks to uncover and understand the amazing mysteries of the universe. One’s sense of wonder at the complexity and enormity of the universe can only be deepened and enriched.

At the same time, some scientists fall into the trap of calling theories facts when they are only theories. This actually violates the scientific method. Among these enormous and unproved assumptions are those concerning the origin of life and the denial of the supernatural. For such scientists, the conclusion is that we got here by chance and will end up in nothingness. This position is fundamentally unsupportable, and the Bible provides a wonderful and totally reasonable alternative. It is an alternative that involves faith in the timeless existence of the being the Bible calls God.

There is a very sinister idea making the rounds these days, an idea even taught in the schools as the truth. That idea is that science is grounded only in facts and religion is grounded solely in faith in the Bible. Therefore, the theory goes, when it comes to the origin of life, evolution may be taught in the schools, but not creation. The truth is that both of these views are grounded in a huge leap of faith and both claim to be reasonable. The creationist indeed places her faith in intelligent design, and finds in this faith a reasonable explanation of life and its origin. However, the evolutionist also operates by faith: faith in the inexplicable and wholly random origin of something out of nothing! Make no mistake, this is a leap of faith, an astounding assumption not based on any observable facts. For Christians, faith in intelligent design as explanation for the origin of life is far more reasonable than faith in randomness and blind chance.

When it comes to miracles, it is fair to conclude that they lie outside of science, but are not opposed to science. God can and does intervene in history, so scientists (and all of us) do well to be humble in the face of miracle. But Christians (and everybody else as well) also do well not to call something a miracle just because we don’t understand it. When both these positions are understood and accepted, science and the Bible are not at odds. They are both gifts from God.

Let’s remember, too, that the Bible is not a scientific textbook. Although Christians accept the Bible as entirely true, it does not use scientific terminology. After all, it was written thousands of years ago! So it uses terms such as “sunrise” and “sunset”, even though we know that the sun does not rise or set. The Bible is a casebook of divine love and admonition, as well as the very human response of failure and triumph.

So although the Bible is not a scientific treatise, it is our guidebook for life. It teaches us amazement in the face of life’s mysteries. On our sickbed when all the answers of science have been exhausted, we throw ourselves on the hope so wonderfully described in the Bible. We live here by faith and reach for life beyond the grave. In its pages we find the story of our origin and destiny. Has it become your guidebook, too?
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LittleNipper wrote:In its pages we find the story of our origin and destiny. Has it become your guidebook, too?


We do learn about ourselves by studying the Bible. We learn the thoughts of the people who wrote the Bible, who were many groups over centuries. We learn what they thought about each other and their stories about what happened to them.

We can also learn from the Bible by seeing how it has been developed and used by human beings: stories of origins, stories of destiny, stories to teach values. The accumulation of knowledge begins with stories, but does not end with them. And so scriptures are tools of memory and not sacred in themselves. They are valuable to the extent that their content is valuable and for the insights they give us into other things. The rest is up to us.
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News article from the faithful:

JERUSALEM - At 5 PM at the intersection Dolarosa and Vine, the face of God appeared and uttered in an unknown language, “One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.”

The huge face was witnessed by a crowd of 127 Jerusalemites (122, since 5 were preoccupied at the Levshal Falafel Stand and missed the miracle).

Reb Ari Finkelstein, speaking for the Sanhedrin, stated it was a divine manifestation and meant that the chosen people should avoid shellfish, bacon, and avocado toast.
-- Zev Parnass, Israeli Gazzette, 97 BCE


Disbelieving gentiles have issued a statement that such a preposterous event never occurred or else was a mass hallucination brought on by camel fumes.

So, what really happened? Was this a holoprojection from the future that was actually meant to sell pajamas or something else?
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moksha wrote:News article from the faithful:

JERUSALEM - At 5 PM at the intersection Dolarosa and Vine, the face of God appeared and uttered in an unknown language, “One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.”

The huge face was witnessed by a crowd of 127 Jerusalemites (122, since 5 were preoccupied at the Levshal Falafel Stand and missed the miracle).

Reb Ari Finkelstein, speaking for the Sanhedrin, stated it was a divine manifestation and meant that the chosen people should avoid shellfish, bacon, and avocado toast.
-- Zev Parnass, Israeli Gazzette, 97 BCE


Disbelieving gentiles have issued a statement that such a preposterous event never occurred or else was a mass hallucination brought on by camel fumes.

So, what really happened? Was this a holoprojection from the future that was actually meant to sell pajamas or something else?
Those who wrote the Bible never became monetarily wealthy on that account ---------------- This is one thing that cannot be said of Joseph Smith. Smith certainly profited monetarily, in notoriety, and power.
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LittleNipper wrote:Those who wrote the Bible never became monetarily wealthy on that account ---------------- This is one thing that cannot be said of Joseph Smith. Smith certainly profited monetarily, in notoriety, and power.


The Bible writers didn't make the money. The later Bible thumpers did. Ever heard of the Prosperity Gospel? Kenneth Copeland? Jan Crouch? Benny Hinn? Joel Osteen? Creflo Dollar? I could go on.

http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id277.htm
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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