“King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head”

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Re: “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head”

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hauslern wrote:
Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:48 am
It seems nonlds Egyptologists are puzzled at some of the work of LDS scholars. They are ok to work unrelated to the Book of abraham .THat is what Hungarian Egyptologist Tamas Mekic told me. Tamas cites some work of Gee's in his massive book on the hypocephalus.

I dare say the only reason there are LDS Egyptologists employed at BYU is for the sole purpose of defending the Book of Abraham and by making it seem that it’s a legitimate piece of work. Well, the Book of Abraham and the Explanations of the Facsimiles are rejected by EVERY nonMormon Egyptologist in the whole world and always will be. Never, not ever, will any credible museum or credible nonMormon Egyptologist embrace the Book of Abraham. It will never happen! Period. End of story. When it comes to Gee & Muhlestein, they are not credible with their Book of Abraham apologetic circus act.
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Reformed Egyptian Trivia - Neithhotep is the earliest named woman in history. A queen consort of Pharoah Narmer in Ancient Egypt, Neithhotep had her name recorded between circa 3150 and 3125 BCE.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:30 am
Reformed Egyptian Trivia - Neithhotep is the earliest named woman in history. A queen consort of Pharoah Narmer in Ancient Egypt, Neithhotep had her name recorded between circa 3150 and 3125 BCE.

The dynastic beginning of a unified Egyptian state long predates the biblical times of Noah and Abraham. Predynastic Egypt was an ancient civilization before Noah was ever conceived! Furthermore, Neithhotep and her contemporaries were ruling Egypt a thousand years before Joseph Smith’s so-called queen Egyptus (bogus name) discovered the Delta under water and the preposterous idea of Egypt’s founding by a Hamite king named Pharaoh. The whole story is outrageous! It’s absolute fiction.

There is universal consensus that the story of how Egypt came to be as recorded in the Book of Abraham chapter one is absolute fiction as is the assertion that a king’s name is in the label of Facsimile No. 3. The Book of Abraham is a lie told by Joseph Smith. It may safely be discarded as nonhistorical nonsense or more politely termed as modern pseudepigrapha.

There is nothing apologists or Mormon Egyptologists can do to save the Book of Abraham.
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The First Vision

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Here in the Celestial forum, I have another thread entitled The First Vision where I demonstrate when Smith bragged about his ability to translate Egyptian, he inadvertently confessed that this was the time in which he changed his story about who appeared to him in the First Vision and developed his doctrine of the plurality of gods. I highly suggest that readers take a look at this thread and reason it out for themselves. It wasn’t until 1835 that Smith began to shift from the traditional Trinitarian view of God (One Person expressed in Three ways) to the plurality of God being separate Persons and that the Father and Son have individual bodies of flesh and bone. Thus, Smith was heavily influenced by the vignettes that were illustrated on the Egyptian scrolls in which he purchased -- the very scrolls he claimed were drawn by the hands of Abraham and Joseph of Egypt.

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The early First Vision accounting of glorified Jesus appearing to Joseph Smith in the grove in New York was later changed to reflect the idea that BOTH Jesus and the Father appeared and the doctrine of One God as taught in the Book of Mormon gave way to Three Gods. I find a stunning comparison in Smith’s imagination between the doctrine of plurality of the gods and a King’s name in the writing of the Facsimile. Smith’s imaginary views of the papyrus associated the imagery therein to represent the God of the bible just as he did the writing to represent an Egyptian King’s name. These two points work hand in hand to prove Smith was making it all up. Both accounts are a lie!
  • “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.”
  • “I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!”

I bear my testimony that I know both accounts are false. Joseph Smith was lying about the papyrus and his visionary experiences with God in the New York grove. I’ve never in all my life known someone to lie so much other than former President Donald J. Trump who is a terrible stain on American history.
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Sooner or later, eventually, it’s inevitable that a leading General Authority will publicly say something about the Facsimile in which the topic of the “King’s name” will spill out. It’s only a matter of time and some poor General Authority is going to slip up. When he does it will generate and incite more questions from the faithful who are looking for answers from their leaders rather than from scholars and apologists who don’t answer for the Lord. The critics will be on hand to analyze exactly what is said and refuse to accept it as authoritative and instantly appeal to the Church President for a definitive response. Then, the President of the Church will be in the hot seat as fingers point at him as one who has no special powers to divine, no ability to translate, and is completely unable to interpret Smith’s explanations of the hieroglyphic writing on the papyrus.
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Shulem wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:17 pm
...other than former President Donald J. Trump who is a terrible stain on American history.
I don't like Trump either. But let's not pretend our current idiot-in-chief is clean. Decades of dirty politics. Burisma. Council on Foreign Relations. 10% for the Big Guy. LIttle kid Hair sniffer. Come on, the guy is a revolting demented weirdo grifter. America can do better than all of this.
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False prophets offer nothing

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That’s an accurate summation of what the prophets have said about the problems with the Book of Abraham translations and the phony-baloney text in chapter one that attempts to tell the world how and when Egypt first became a nation. The so-called prophets today claim to be seers and revelators but they see nothing and reveal nothing. They even claim to possess the same gifts possessed by Joseph Smith and yet these men translate nothing. All they do is provide regurgitated talks with the same old tired song and dance and maintain a multibillion dollar business overseen by lawyers. They avoid the difficult questions because they have no answers that will suffice. It must be frustrating for them as they continue the charade and pretend to be what they are not. Therefore, it’s incumbent upon the critics to keep up the pressure and sound the alarm long and loud -- nonstop.

What is that alarm?

The Book of Abraham is a fraudulent story of Egyptian history. It’s not true.


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