Re: Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, 1843 address about the AGE of the mummies and papyrus
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:18 pm
Ed1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:45 pm
When Egyptology has failed us to show what it was that was written, then something else is there. What is it? It is beyond Egyptology, and requires a new type of analysis to be elucidated. How? By reverse engineering it until you get results. And when you get results, it sheds light on how the rest ought to be reverse engineered. I have documented the process of Reverse Engineering in the book that I posted a link to, that you ignore, that builds upon the process that I have had to develop myself, because Egyptology has failed in a sense, to bring forth what I had to figure out how myself, to systematically bring forth. You think it isn't reproducible. Your wrong. It is.
This is fascinating. Let me see if I understand:
1. Start with a conclusion, based only on beliefs and religious requirements. Present said conclusion as non-negotiable.
2. When accepted methods don't reveal that conclusion, make up other "methods" (I use the word extremely loosely) until you find one that gives you the conclusion from part 1.
3. Define this new method as "Reverse Engineering," even though use of this new method to determine a conclusion in no way fits the accepted definition of reverse engineering, because engineering anything using this method fails as it relies on after the fact coincidences that don't explain a real underlying process, but only highlight random coincidence.
4. State that this "reverse engineering" method is reproducible, even though the method only finds a coincidental parallel in one area that is construed to imply the conclusion, and is literally, in no way, "reproducible" as a consistent method. (unless finding random coincidences is a "method.")
Doing "what it takes" to find meaning that is not there is also defined as finding irrelevant coincidences to support one's predetermined requirements....I am a pioneer, a trail blazer, who has to do what it takes to get results when everyone else is blind and has either given up, or has lied about the fact that results can be produced.
i understand this. Reaching for coincidences and parallels is a way to find meaning that for many may be a necessary anchor in a difficult world. It doesn't make it true, or logical, or even healthy.....This is for the people that need it, not for you, when they find such things, and actually think through the implications.
This is Celestial, and Shulem is (appropriately) quite the bear at insisting that people behave commensurately, so I do want to reiterate, this is simply my opinion about the process you are describing, not a judgment on your person. I do feel strongly that promoting illogical and unscientific methods needs to be rebutted, but it is the method I am rebutting, not you as a person, ed1.
you may not see it as such, but the acceptance of you as a person here is a gift that many other places would not offer. Maybe that's why you continue to come back. I am pretty impressed at Shulem's efforts in your direction, in spite of your lashing out.
In any case, Shulem has been amazing up here:
He's cutting you a lot of slack, I assume because you're not a regular, and I join him in wishing you well.Shulem wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:18 pmI wish you well on your journey through life and hope you are enjoying a good measure of health and happiness in all you do.Ed1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:55 pm...At least I have continually tried to reach out to the likes of you to build bridges until you finally threw enough sand in my face that I realized that trying to be friends with you was stupid. You are not and never will be, and never really have been a friend. I credit you with being one of the last straws that finally drove me away from here.
It isn't foolish to do what I do, as I continually make progress, even when I'm wrong and have to concede to something that I am wrong about. Its only foolish to have anything to do with you....