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bill4long wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:27 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:26 am
Yeah the white Jesus just doesn't exist ya know...
Wonder what would happen if White Aryan Long Hair and Bearded Hippie Jesus Dude in a Tunic walked into LDS General Conference and sat in the front row.

I'm guessing he probably wouldn't be well received. :D

Bill
Todd Agnew has a song on the subject called My Jesus. it is a song that calls for introspection.
And he made from one man every nation of mankind… having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us.
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Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:46 am
The Spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called Paradise.

Spirits are classified according to the purity of their lives and their obedience to the will of the Lord while on earth.

The righteous and the wicked are separated (see 1 Nephi 15:28–30), but all may still progress if they learn and accept Gospel principles and live in accordance with them.

The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20).

In the spirit prison are also the Spirits of those who have not yet received the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These Spirits still have agency, and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the Gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the Temples, they may be able to leave the spirit prison and dwell in Paradise.

The Spirits in Paradise can teach the Spirits in prison (see D&C 138).

Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the Gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison.

These Spirits suffer in a condition known as hell. They have removed themselves from the mercy of Jesus Christ, who said:
“Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit” (D&C 19:16–18).

After suffering for their sins, they may be allowed, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, to inherit the lowest degree of glory, which is the Telestial Kingdom.
I'm curious. In light of what you've posted above, how would the LDS church interpret Hebrews 6:4-6?

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
And he made from one man every nation of mankind… having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us.
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"Who shall question the justice of God, which denies salvation to all who will not comply with the prescribed conditions on which alone it is declared obtainable? Christ is “the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,” and God “will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil.”

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In answer to your question, it is only the Telestial Kingdom referred to, not the Celestial.
msnobody wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:06 am
Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:46 am
The Spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called Paradise.

Spirits are classified according to the purity of their lives and their obedience to the will of the Lord while on earth.

The righteous and the wicked are separated (see 1 Nephi 15:28–30), but all may still progress if they learn and accept Gospel principles and live in accordance with them.

The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20).

In the spirit prison are also the Spirits of those who have not yet received the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These Spirits still have agency, and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the Gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the Temples, they may be able to leave the spirit prison and dwell in Paradise.

The Spirits in Paradise can teach the Spirits in prison (see D&C 138).

Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the Gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison.

These Spirits suffer in a condition known as hell. They have removed themselves from the mercy of Jesus Christ, who said:
“Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit” (D&C 19:16–18).

After suffering for their sins, they may be allowed, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, to inherit the lowest degree of glory, which is the Telestial Kingdom.
I'm curious. In light of what you've posted above, how would the LDS church interpret Hebrews 6:4-6?

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
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Translations of Scriptures sometimes differ through misunderstandings.
The Lord does not repent; men repent.

Compare:

The Inspired Joseph Smith Translation, Jeremiah 26:13

Therefore now, amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God, and repent, and the Lord will turn away the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst- ... l?lang=eng


The Holy Bible, Old Testament, Jeremiah 26:13

Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/jer/2 ... ng=eng#p12
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Seems Elizabeth has mistaken the forum for a blog rather than a discussion board.
And he made from one man every nation of mankind… having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us.
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msnobody wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:13 pm
Seems Elizabeth has mistaken the forum for a blog rather than a discussion board.
That’s an interesting take on the situation.

What is the purpose of splitting threads into the lower kingdoms?
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High Spy wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:40 pm
msnobody wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:13 pm
Seems Elizabeth has mistaken the forum for a blog rather than a discussion board.
That’s an interesting take on the situation.

What is the purpose of splitting threads into the lower kingdoms?
Celestial has pretty strict rules that require respectful communication that stays on topic. Rather than delete posts that don't follow those rules, we move them to a kingdom where they would be within the rules. The idea is that, within very limited rules, you can say what you want how you want to say it, you just have to do it in the right kingdom.
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Jesus the Christ Chapter 39: Ministry of the Resurrected Christ on the Western Hemisphere

"The Lord Jesus sent for bread and wine, and caused the people to sit down. The bread He brake and blessed, and gave thereof to the Twelve; these, having eaten, distributed bread to the multitude. The wine was blessed, and all partook, the Twelve first, and afterward the people. With impressiveness similar to that attending the institution of the Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper among the apostles in Jerusalem, Jesus made plain the sanctity and significance of the ordinance, saying that authority for its future administration would be given; and that it was to be participated in by all who had been baptised into fellowship with Christ, and was always to be observed in remembrance of Him, the bread being the sacred emblem of His body, the wine the token of His blood that had been shed. By express commandment, the Lord forbade the sacrament of bread and wine to all but the worthy; “For,” He explained, “whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and blood unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood, ye shall forbid him.” But the people were forbidden to cast out from their assemblies those from whom the Sacrament was to be withheld, if so be they would but repent and seek fellowship through baptism.

The necessity of prayer was explicitly emphasized by the Lord, the commandment to pray being given to the Twelve and to the multitude separately. Individual supplication, family devotions, and congregational worship were thus enjoined:

“Therefore ye must always pray unto the Father in my name; and whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is right, believing that ye shall receive, behold it shall be given unto you. Pray in your families unto the Father, always in my name, that your wives and your children may be blessed. And behold, ye shall meet together oft, and ye shall not forbid any man from coming unto you when ye shall meet together, but suffer them that they may come unto you, and forbid them not; but ye shall pray for them, and shall not cast them out; and if it so be that they come unto you oft, ye shall pray for them unto the Father, in my name.”

The Lord then touched with His hand each of the Twelve, investing them, in words unheard by others, with power to confer the Holy Ghost by the imposition of hands upon all repentant and baptised believers. As he finished the ordination of the Twelve, a cloud overshadowed the people, so that the Lord was hidden from their sight; but the twelve disciples “saw and did bear record that he ascended again into heaven.”
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