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"In their relations with other peoples the Jews generally endeavoured to maintain a haughty exclusiveness, which brought upon them Gentile ridicule.

Under Mosaic law Israel had been required to keep apart from other nations; they attached supreme importance to their Abrahamic lineage as children of the covenant, “an holy people unto the Lord,” whom He had chosen “to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

Judah had experienced the woeful effects of dalliance with pagan nations, and, at the time we are now considering, a Jew who permitted himself unnecessary association with a Gentile became an unclean being requiring ceremonial cleansing to free him from defilement.

Only in strict isolation did the leaders find hope of insuring the perpetuity of the nation."
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From October 2013 Conference, Apostle Dallin H. Oaks, in plain simple terms, confirms:

"the marriage of a man and a woman is necessary for the accomplishment of God’s plan. Only this marriage will provide the approved setting for mortal birth and to prepare family members for eternal life... we remain under divine command not to commit adultery or fornication even when those acts are no longer crimes under the laws of the states or countries where we reside. Similarly, laws legalizing so-called “same-sex marriage” do not change God’s law of marriage or His commandments and our standards concerning it... There are many political and social pressures for legal and policy changes to establish behaviors contrary to God’s decrees about sexual morality and contrary to the eternal nature and purposes of marriage and childbearing. These pressures have already authorized same-gender marriages in various states and nations. Other pressures would confuse gender or homogenize those differences between men and women that are essential to accomplish God’s great plan of happiness...Our understanding of God’s plan and His doctrine gives us an eternal perspective that does not allow us to condone such behaviors or to find justification in the laws that permit them. And, unlike other organizations that can change their policies and even their doctrines, our policies are determined by the truths God has identified as unchangeable.”


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"A great company of the exiled Hebrews availed themselves of this opportunity to return to the lands of their fathers, though many elected to remain in the country of their captivity, preferring Babylon to Israel.
The “whole congregation” of the Jews who returned from the Babylonian exile were but “forty and two thousand three hundred and three score, beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven.”
The relatively small size of the migrating nation is further shown by the register of their beasts of burden.
While those who did return strove valiantly to reestablish themselves as the house of David, and to regain some measure of their former prestige and glory, the Jews were never again a truly independent people.
In turn they were preyed upon by Greece, Egypt, and Syria; but about 164–163 B.C., the people threw off, in part at least, the alien yoke, as a result of the patriotic revolt led by the Maccabees, the most prominent of whom was Judas Maccabeus.
The Temple service, which had been practically abolished through the proscription of victorious foes, was reestablished. In the year 163 B.C., the sacred structure was rededicated, and the joyful occasion was thereafter celebrated in annual festival as the Feast of Dedication.
During the reign of the Maccabees, however, the Temple fell into an almost ruinous condition, more as a result of the inability of the reduced and impoverished people to maintain it than through any further decline of religious zeal.
In the hope of insuring a greater measure of national protection, the Jews entered into an unequal alliance with the Romans and eventually became tributary to them, in which condition the Jewish nation continued throughout the period of our Lord’s ministry.
In the meridian of time Rome was virtually mistress of the world.
When Christ was born, Augustus Cæsar was emperor of Rome, and the Idumean, Herod, surnamed the Great, was the vassal king of Judea.”

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26 And the Lord said: I will destroy man whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man and beast, and the creeping things, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth Noah that I have created them, and that I have made them; and he hath called upon me; for they have sought his life.
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Elizabeth, what would be your solution to the Jews? Would it involve the scripture you just quoted?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:09 pm
...it says lots more about [Elizabeth] who thinks it is necessary or appropriate to threaten fellow humans than it does about the rest of us.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:09 pm
Shulem,

I don't recall scripture from the Bible or Book of Mormon ever being classified as "not Celestial material." The mention of hell in this portion of the Book of Mormon is an anachronism. It's also not consistent with Smith's later theology -- a good illustration of how he made up his theology as he went along. But it does fit nicely with some strains of 19th century protestantism.

The book has no power over you. The words have no power over you. And Elizabeth has no power over you. If it's a threat, it's one without teeth. And it says lots more about the person who thinks it is necessary or appropriate to threaten fellow humans than it does about the rest of us.

... that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (2 Kings 18:27

Is that also Celestial material? And if so, how might it be quoted and used in this forum?

You need to rethink this matter, Res. It's your choice. You can send this thread into spam and be fully justified. Elizabeth is playing a game and is not on the up and up. Watch out, she bites, and will use vicious scripture to do it!

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Marcus wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:47 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:09 pm
...it says lots more about [Elizabeth] who thinks it is necessary or appropriate to threaten fellow humans than it does about the rest of us.

I get a real bad feeling about all this.

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Moksha wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:37 pm
Elizabeth, what would be your solution to the Jews? Would it involve the scripture you just quoted?

When you play with snakes you can get bit.

Just saying.
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The Stig wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:28 pm
This looks like 19 pages of scripture spam. So weird.

Yeah, it's bizarre. Something is definitely not right.
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