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Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:04 am
2 Nephi 28

22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment.

24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!

This is FLAMING. It does not belong in the Celestial Forum because it's given for the sole purpose to threaten nonbelievers with pain and suffering.

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Immediately following the death of Solomon, about 975 B.C.according to the most generally accepted chronology, the nation was disrupted by revolt. The tribe of Judah, part of the tribe of Benjamin, and small remnants of a few other tribes remained true to the royal succession, and accepted Rehoboam, son of Solomon, as their king; while the rest, usually spoken of as the Ten Tribes, broke their allegiance to the house of David, and made Jeroboam, an Ephraimite, their king.

The Ten Tribes retained the title Kingdom of Israel though also known as Ephraim. Rehoboam and his adherents were distinctively called the Kingdom of Judah.

For about two hundred and fifty years the two kingdoms maintained their separate autonomy; then, about 722 or 721 B.C., the independent status of the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed, and the captive people were transported to Assyria by Shalmanezer and others. Subsequently they disappeared so completely as to be called the Lost Tribes.

The Kingdom of Judah was recognized as a nation for about one hundred and thirty years longer; then, about 588 B.C., it was brought into subjection by Nebuchadnezzar, through whom the Babylonian captivity was inaugurated. For three score years and ten Judah was kept in exile and virtual bondage, in consequence of their transgression as had been predicted through Jeremiah.

Then the Lord softened the hearts of their captors, and their restoration was begun under the decree of Cyrus the Persian, who had subdued the Babylonian kingdom. The Hebrew people were permitted to return to Judea, and to enter upon the work of rebuilding the temple at Jerusalem.
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Shulem wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:37 am
Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:04 am
2 Nephi 28

22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment.

24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!

This is FLAMING. It does not belong in the Celestial Forum because it's given for the sole purpose to threaten nonbelievers with pain and suffering.

STOP!
Shulem,

I don't recall scripture from the Bible or Book of Mormon ever being classified as "not Celestial material." The mention of hell in this portion of the Book of Mormon is an anachronism. It's also not consistent with Smith's later theology -- a good illustration of how he made up his theology as he went along. But it does fit nicely with some strains of 19th century protestantism.

The book has no power over you. The words have no power over you. And Elizabeth has no power over you. If it's a threat, it's one without teeth. And it says lots more about the person who thinks it is necessary or appropriate to threaten fellow humans than it does about the rest of us.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:09 pm
Shulem,

I don't recall scripture from the Bible or Book of Mormon ever being classified as "not Celestial material." The mention of hell in this portion of the Book of Mormon is an anachronism. It's also not consistent with Smith's later theology -- a good illustration of how he made up his theology as he went along. But it does fit nicely with some strains of 19th century protestantism.

The book has no power over you. The words have no power over you. And Elizabeth has no power over you. If it's a threat, it's one without teeth. And it says lots more about the person who thinks it is necessary or appropriate to threaten fellow humans than it does about the rest of us.

Well, that is one way of looking at it. But do keep your eyes out and ensure that the flaming doesn't get too intense or repetitive. You do know there are people out their who love to play games and mess around.

I don't feel that all "scripture" is necessarily appropriate to this forum. Just because it's scripture doesn't mean it should be here where people should feel comfortable to discuss doctrine without being reminded that others plan on seeing them burned and suffering in hellfire.

Anyway, you manage it how you like. I'm out of this thread and won't involve myself with Elizabeth whom I don't think is a very good person at all.
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Well, that is one way of looking at it. But do keep your eyes out and ensure that the flaming doesn't get too intense or repetitive. You do know there are people out their who love to play games and mess around.

I don't feel that all "scripture" is necessarily appropriate to this forum. Just because it's scripture doesn't mean it should be here where people should feel comfortable to discuss doctrine without being reminded that others plan on seeing them burned and suffering in hellfire.

Anyway, you manage it how you like. I'm out of this thread and won't involve myself with Elizabeth whom I don't think is a very good person at all.

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Reminds me of an episode in StarTrek where an alien race communicated not with words forming independent ideas, but with parables. They had a lot of parables, maybe as many as LDS have scriptures.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:39 pm
Reminds me of an episode in StarTrek where an alien race communicated not with words forming independent ideas, but with parables. They had a lot of parables, maybe as many as LDS have scriptures.
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This looks like 19 pages of scripture spam. So weird.
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Looking is not reading so you would not know :lol:
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"A great company of the exiled Hebrews availed themselves of this opportunity to return to the lands of their fathers, though many elected to remain in the country of their captivity, preferring Babylon to Israel.

The “whole congregation” of the Jews who returned from the Babylonian exile were but “forty and two thousand three hundred and three score, beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven.” The relatively small size of the migrating nation is further shown by the register of their beasts of burden. While those who did return strove valiantly to reestablish themselves as the house of David, and to regain some measure of their former prestige and glory, the Jews were never again a truly independent people. In turn they were preyed upon by Greece, Egypt, and Syria; but about 164–163 B.C., the people threw off, in part at least, the alien yoke, as a result of the patriotic revolt led by the Maccabees, the most prominent of whom was Judas Maccabeus.

The Temple service, which had been practically abolished through the proscription of victorious foes, was reestablished. In the year 163 B.C., the sacred structure was rededicated, and the joyful occasion was thereafter celebrated in annual festival as the Feast of Dedication.

During the reign of the Maccabees, however, the Temple fell into an almost ruinous condition, more as a result of the inability of the reduced and impoverished people to maintain it than through any further decline of religious zeal.

In the hope of insuring a greater measure of national protection, the Jews entered into an unequal alliance with the Romans and eventually became tributary to them, in which condition the Jewish nation continued throughout the period of our Lord’s ministry.

In the meridian of time Rome was virtually mistress of the world. When Christ was born, Augustus Cæsaro was emperor of Rome, and the Idumean, Herod, surnamed the Great, was the vassal king of Judea.”

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