So was it stake business or was it general authority business?
The latter. The attendance at the conference by the Attention-Seeking Specialist (ASS) was simply to make a spectacle and cause ill-feeling. That is his modus operandi.
Our genuinely lovely stake president resorts to extraordinary lengths to be kind and caring. He even called upon the ASS for help in the middle of the conference when a member of the congregation fell ill and needed medical assistance. The stake president is a doctor. He was in the middle of his talk when the incident occurred. Without making a fuss, he asked a counsellor to plug the gap while he attended to the individual. He also invited the ASS to help him locate a wheelchair.
In a bizarre turn of events, the ASS somehow managed to involve himself in the stake choir — despite his clear intentions to oppose and/or derail everything. He is a manipulative troll, and I hope he feels his rancour is worth the unpleasantness he causes. As it happens, one of his cronies was subsequently called to be the Stake Safeguarding Specialist. She accepted. The joke's on him.
I guess you're just not qualified to debate with those unlike you.
If you say so. I'm sure you know best.
However, the individual in question went from being an attention-seeking member in full activity to courting an audience with the likes of John Dehlin to boost his ego. Earlier posters praised his part in the process of introducing safeguarding checks in the UK for children, youth, and vulnerable adults — however, this was a process that had begun long before he decided to use it as a platform for his attention-seeking agenda. He is a charlatan. I hope he enjoys whatever rewards come his way.
...As it happens, one of his cronies was subsequently called to be the Stake Safeguarding Specialist. She accepted. The joke's on him.
How so?
Because he took aim at the Church for refusing to act. But the Church did act, and the changes had been in the pipeline for many years.
My wife has been in Stake and Ward Primary for maybe 20 years, and she also works in education. She mentioned the looming safeguarding crisis to me years ago when the attention-seeker was still in the youth programme. He simply saw something he could use to his advantage.
Because he took aim at the Church for refusing to act. But the Church did act, and the changes had been in the pipeline for many years.
My wife has been in Stake and Ward Primary for maybe 20 years, and she also works in education. She mentioned the looming safeguarding crisis to me years ago when the attention-seeker was still in the youth programme. He simply saw something he could use to his advantage.
So, more gossip.
But the Church did act, and the changes had been in the pipeline for many years.
You mean, for years the lds church knew backgrounds checks were necessary and beneficial? And they STILL took years to make anything happen? Sorry, no, that's not acting, that's reacting in a panic, when you're caught misbehaving. It's too bad the lds church refused to act for so long, and only did so when forced.
But you still didn't answer my question, how does instituting background checks translate into 'the joke's on him'?
...However, the individual in question went from being an attention-seeking member in full activity to courting an audience with the likes of John Dehlin to boost his ego. Earlier posters praised his part in the process of introducing safeguarding checks in the UK for children, youth, and vulnerable adults — however, this was a process that had begun long before he decided to use it as a platform for his attention-seeking agenda. He is a charlatan. I hope he enjoys whatever rewards come his way.
You'll need to support your gossipy posts with some factual evidence, please.
But you still didn't answer my question, how does instituting background checks translate into 'the joke's on him'?
I thought I did answer your question. The guy wasn't expecting anything to happen, which would have allowed him to use this situation as endless fodder in his personal crusade for recognition at any cost. In the event, the wind was taken from his sails. If his supporter had been on the same page, she would have rejected the invitation to serve. Whereas now, she even needs to comply with the requirements for a temple recommend to act in that role. He won't like that at all. He will consider her to have sold out.
And you're right, it took a long time to introduce because the UK's attitude to safeguarding eclipses that of American society it seems. America's the best at everything, right? So they weren't about to make changes for little ol' Britain. The changes were needed; the Church needed to allow the UK to act unilaterally.
Ad hominem is not helpful in balanced debate. Once you grasp that principle you then can respond to the claim that this new policy is decades behind most institutions ,whether sacred or secular, who engage with vulnerable people and have implemented disclosure checks for both professional and voluntary staff, thereby preventing all kinds of abuse.
Once you at least understand that arguement, further amicable exchanges await you. Goodbye ad hominem, hello reason. You'll be intellectually and spiritually healthier. Faith can give board and lodgings to reason and will co- exist cordially.
You'll need to support your gossipy posts with some factual evidence, please.
Calling my comments gossip is lazy on your part. I could equally dismiss you as a troll for being argumentative without being in possession of any facts to the contrary.
I am being careful to avoid disclosing the particulars of my relationship with him. I do not need anyone using that information against me or my family.
My purpose in posting was to balance the praise being heaped upon someone on the basis of tabloid headlines that fail to tell the entire story because it isn't in their interests. No surprises there.
Pour scorn on my comments if you wish. They have served their purpose. The guy ain't Snow White, and his interest was not in bringing about safeguarding. That was a train he was simply riding to reach his own destination. It makes no difference to me whether you believe anything. I am simply stating that there's more to the story than you may have read. My work here is done.
