Mormonism as Christianity- a proof from an outside perpsective

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Re: Mormonism as Christianity- a proof from an outside perpsective

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:09 am
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I don’t know of anyone that has done that. But I concede that you are admitting that you have done that.
Come on, be serious. If you haven't encountered any Mormons who have envisioned or talked about what their future planets might be like, then you really don't understand Mormonism at all!
You're wrong.
The discussion would center on whether the discovery of dinosaur bones, which date back millions of years, on a planet that is only 6000 years old, could suggest that Heavenly Father utilized "matter" from other planets to shape this world. My sister maintains that dinosaur bones exist on earth because the ground from which they are excavated was once part of a different planet. She believes that heavenly father took that piece of matter and merged it with other fragments from ancient planets to create our planet, similar to when children mix various colors of playdough, creating a ball of colors.
Your sister’s silly ideas about dinosaurs ain’t my problem.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:28 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:09 am
Come on, be serious. If you haven't encountered any Mormons who have envisioned or talked about what their future planets might be like, then you really don't understand Mormonism at all!
You're wrong.
The discussion would center on whether the discovery of dinosaur bones, which date back millions of years, on a planet that is only 6000 years old, could suggest that Heavenly Father utilized "matter" from other planets to shape this world. My sister maintains that dinosaur bones exist on earth because the ground from which they are excavated was once part of a different planet. She believes that heavenly father took that piece of matter and merged it with other fragments from ancient planets to create our planet, similar to when children mix various colors of playdough, creating a ball of colors.
Your sister’s silly ideas about dinosaurs ain’t my problem.
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Was the Earth Formed from the Debris of Other Planets? | Religious Studies Center https://share.google/tODrxVnLZAdFw8tbL

Once more, it's clear that you lack understanding of true Mormon beliefs if you haven't engaged in or listened to a discussion where a Mormon speaks about this earth or future worlds being constructed from remnants of past worlds!

What I am referring to is entirely Mormonism, and in my view, it is what defines Mormonism! I genuinely appreciate that Mormon teachings encourage this kind of thinking. I'm not criticizing Mormonism; rather, I believe they should revisit many of the beliefs they held in the past, similar to what we're discussing now!

I didn't include this link in my previous post because it was clear you were not well-informed on the topic. I allowed you to post again without the necessary information that supports my argument, giving you the opportunity to demonstrate your lack of understanding of Mormonism. This has shown that you are not just mistaken once, but several times.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:59 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:28 pm
You're wrong.
Your sister’s silly ideas about dinosaurs ain’t my problem.
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Was the Earth Formed from the Debris of Other Planets? | Religious Studies Center https://share.google/tODrxVnLZAdFw8tbL

Once more, it's clear that you lack understanding of true Mormon beliefs if you haven't engaged in or listened to a discussion where a Mormon speaks about this earth or future worlds being constructed from remnants of past worlds!

What I am referring to is entirely Mormonism, and in my view, it is what defines Mormonism! I genuinely appreciate that Mormon teachings encourage this kind of thinking. I'm not criticizing Mormonism; rather, I believe they should revisit many of the beliefs they held in the past, similar to what we're discussing now!

I didn't include this link in my previous post because it was clear you were not well-informed on the topic. I allowed you to post again without the necessary information that supports my argument, giving you the opportunity to demonstrate your lack of understanding of Mormonism. This has shown that you are not just mistaken once, but several times.
In what way am I mistaken? Trent’s opinion does not prove that all Mormon men dream about creating their own planet. You’ll note I haven’t said that I deny the Church has taught the view that exalted members will have all the authority and power that God has. But that’s an entirely different point.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:03 pm
does not prove that all Mormon men dream about creating their own planet
OK! :lol:
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:14 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:03 pm
does not prove that all Mormon men dream about creating their own planet
OK! :lol:
This is your source, Trent…
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https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/tes ... d-stephens
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:21 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:14 pm


OK! :lol:
This is your source, Trent…
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https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/tes ... d-stephens
What seems to be the issue with that guy?

Are you aware that Joseph Smith taught that our earth was formed from parts of other planets? Mormons have consistently held the belief that matter is eternal. Do you disagree with that perspective as well? Mormonism is centered around belief in organization rather than creation.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:28 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:21 pm
This is your source, Trent…
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https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/tes ... d-stephens
What seems to be the issue with that guy?

Are you aware that Joseph Smith taught that our earth was formed from parts of other planets? Mormons have consistently held the belief that matter is eternal. Do you disagree with that perspective as well? Mormonism is centered around belief in organization rather than creation.
We aren’t debating what Mormonism does or doesn’t teach. We were debating your claim that all Mormon men secretly dream of their own planet and how they would operate it. If you want to move on from that erroneous assertion to something about what the Church teaches, just say so.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:31 pm
Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:28 pm


What seems to be the issue with that guy?

Are you aware that Joseph Smith taught that our earth was formed from parts of other planets? Mormons have consistently held the belief that matter is eternal. Do you disagree with that perspective as well? Mormonism is centered around belief in organization rather than creation.
We aren’t debating what Mormonism does or doesn’t teach. We were debating your claim that all Mormon men secretly dream of their own planet and how they would operate it. If you want to move on from that erroneous assertion to something about what the Church teaches, just say so.
No, we're discussing your actual knowledge of Mormonism, and I believe you don't know much about it. Return to the first page where I mentioned that anyone reading this who identifies as a Mormon or ex-Mormon has likely contemplated and maybe even dreamed about the notion of becoming a God at some point in their lives, especially in their younger years. In response to your statement, you mentioned that you are unaware of ANYONE, not a single individual, who has contemplated the idea of becoming a God and creating planets. If you haven't met a Mormon or discussed with one about the concept of becoming a God and creating planets, then your understanding of Mormon doctrine may not be as comprehensive as you believe.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 8:04 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:31 pm
We aren’t debating what Mormonism does or doesn’t teach. We were debating your claim that all Mormon men secretly dream of their own planet and how they would operate it. If you want to move on from that erroneous assertion to something about what the Church teaches, just say so.
No, we're discussing your actual knowledge of Mormonism, and I believe you don't know much about it.
That’s incorrect.
Return to the first page where I mentioned that anyone reading this who identifies as a Mormon or ex-Mormon has likely contemplated and maybe even dreamed about the notion of becoming a God at some point in their lives, especially in their younger years. In response to your statement, you mentioned that you are unaware of ANYONE, not a single individual, who has contemplated the idea of becoming a God and creating planets.
That’s correct.
If you haven't met a Mormon or discussed with one about the concept of becoming a God and creating planets, then your understanding of Mormon doctrine may not be as comprehensive as you believe.
That doesn’t follow, logically.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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