The Mosiah/Benjamin Error, What’s the King’s Name?

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Re: The Mosiah/Benjamin Error, What’s the King’s Name?

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LDS Discussions website takes a critical look at the Benjamin/Mosiah name change in which the Tight vs Loose Translation is explored in depth. In addition to witnesses (David Whitmer & Emma Smith) mentioned earlier in this thread, an additional witness of significant consequence seals the deal for the so-called tight translation process in which the written content of the gold plates in reformed Egyptian is converted/transformed into straight English by none other than the Divine Editor himself, God:
Martin Harris via Millennial Star wrote: (“One of the Three Witnesses,” Millennial Star, Volume 44, p 86-87)

Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say “Written,” and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used.
Again, we are informed that Smith’s translation process was performed by reading sentences (dictating) as they miraculously appeared while the scribe recorded the content exactly according to the reading. This was said to reflect what was engraved on the plates, word for word, or exactly what God wanted to be restored in modern times.
LDS Discussions wrote:None of these three accounts allow for a loose translation of the Book of Mormon, as the seer stone would not continue to reveal the words without the exact, correct words (and spelling) being dictated by not just Joseph Smith, but the scribe writing it down as intended. I want to be clear – there is absolutely no wiggle room that would allow for a loose translation in these accounts, and these are all people who were intimately involved with Joseph Smith during the translation process.
Interestingly enough, Mormon apologetics walks back the Benjamin/Mosiah name change suggesting maybe it wasn’t the right thing to do in the first place and in doing so they throw Joseph Smith’s 1837 name change under the bus:
Daniel B. Sharp and Matthew L. Bowen wrote:“For This Cause Did King Benjamin Keep Them”: King Benjamin or King Mosiah?

Restoring Benjamin for Mosiah

The original readings of the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon in these two instances could be preserving a forgotten story in the Book of Mormon—a story of the discovery and translation of the record of the brother of Jared during the reign of King Benjamin. That this story is not obvious has caused some confusion and, in two instances, has led to changes in the text from “King Benjamin” to “King Mosiah” (first Mosiah 21:28, and later Ether 4:1). These changes are typical changes that occur in the transmission of texts—ancient and modern—when scribes, copyists, and sometimes even well-meaning editors attempt to improve or clarify perceived problems with an author’s words. Thus, these emendations can (and, we would argue, should) be seen as evidence that the early Saints who changed the text were not the authors of the text; Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Mormon—he translated it. Thus we concur with Stanley Larson, who wrote, “It seems that some have been too hasty to ‘correct’ the Book of Mormon here.” All of this suggests that the Book of Mormon is an ancient text that contains historical accounts far richer than even some early (and modern) Church members have imagined.
This apologetic analysis is fatally flawed and shows how they will do anything to save the Book of Mormon even if it requires throwing the ultimate Editor (God) for making a mistake and Smith & Cowdery (“well-meaning editors”) under the bus for changing the name on the sly.

QUESTION:

Why did Joseph Smith agree to change the name in Mosiah 21:28?

ANSWER:

He was afraid of the implications that prove how the story was flawed and people would find out. Thus, it was fear that resulted in the change, not revelation, not inspiration, not by commandment. Joseph Smith pulled a fast one and proved how sneaky he really can be. The apologists can choke on that as they have to account for the coverup! I find the apologetic reasoning above to be both twisted and evil. They will do anything to save Mormonism even if it means condemning God for failing to control his prophet for tampering with the word of God! How utterly ironic!

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So, it was fun dropping the second shoe because people here are genuinely interested in what I have to say. Thank you! I’m happy to explain my perspective here in this forum by using the shoes in which Smith walked while dealing with a contradiction that ultimately forced him to act. He changed the name from Benjamin to Mosiah and did so with Cowdery’s and Pratt’s blessings as they prepared the printing type for the 1837 edition that consisted mostly of simple edits (numerous typographical errors) but other famously known edits emphasize doctrinal shifts from a Trinitarian view to Plurality of Gods. The name change from Benjamin to Mosiah is in a special class by itself.

Two Shoes:

1. Translation Hoax
2. Editing Coverup

Now with that said, I would like to reveal the KEY that helps solve the mystery and put things in proper perspective where everything makes perfect sense and aligns with what critics/unbelievers would expect. On the other hand, apologists are stuck trying to make sense of it all and in doing so their arguments can be shown as fatally flawed.

I will reveal the key in my next posting. I trust some readers are anxious to see what I have to say on this important point! This key destroys any and all apologetic arguments!

Who wants the key?

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I’m ready.
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Limnor wrote:
Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:39 pm
I’m ready.
THE KEY:

He knew.
Or in other words, Joseph Smith knew from the very beginning that his pretended performance (D&C 5:4) of a miraculous translation was a fraudulent hoax.

This key may be plugged into any and all circumstances to show how the Benjamin/Mosiah Error was Smith’s original mistake made during dictation as the stories were being invented. Moreover, it provides the perfect explanation for the coverup.

Plug it in and see for yourself:

:?: QUESTION: Why did Smith secretly authorize Cowdery & Pratt to change the name from Benjamin to Mosiah in the 1837 edition?

:idea: ANSWER: Because he knew that careful readers had recognized an error in the narrative and knowledge of this would cause believers to question his divine translation he claimed to receive from the seer stone, so he plugged (coverup) the hole and kept it hush-hush.
  • He knew the name Benjamin was out of place and welcomed the opportunity to hide the error and prevent readers from discovering the contradiction.
  • He knew that knowledge of the change was a private affair between himself and O. COWDERY & CO.
  • He knew that changing the name in 3,000 new copies of the Book of Mormon would ensure that new readers would never discover the error.
  • He knew that making the change under the guise of typographical errors gave him perfect cover (blanket protection) and all he needed to do from that point onward was to keep his mouth shut. Say nothing!
That is the key.
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Shulem wrote:
Thu Nov 20, 2025 2:27 pm
Limnor wrote:
Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:39 pm
I’m ready.
THE KEY:

He knew.
Or in other words, Joseph Smith knew from the very beginning that his pretended performance (D&C 5:4) of a miraculous translation was a fraudulent hoax.

This key may be plugged into any and all circumstances to show how the Benjamin/Mosiah Error was Smith’s original mistake made during dictation as the stories were being invented. Moreover, it provides the perfect explanation for the coverup.

Plug it in and see for yourself:

:?: QUESTION: Why did Smith secretly authorize Cowdery & Pratt to change the name from Benjamin to Mosiah in the 1837 edition?

:idea: ANSWER: Because he knew that careful readers had recognized an error in the narrative and knowledge of this would cause believers to question his divine translation he claimed to receive from the seer stone, so he plugged (coverup) the hole and kept it hush-hush.
  • He knew the name Benjamin was out of place and welcomed the opportunity to hide the error and prevent readers from discovering the contradiction.
  • He knew that knowledge of the change was a private affair between himself and O. COWDERY & CO.
  • He knew that changing the name in 3,000 new copies of the Book of Mormon would ensure that new readers would never discover the error.
  • He knew that making the change under the guise of typographical errors gave him perfect cover (blanket protection) and all he needed to do from that point onward was to keep his mouth shut. Say nothing!
That is the key.
Shulem, do you see any deeper implications—textual or historical—that the error might carry?

I’d be interested in how you interpret what this slip says about the process behind the Book of Mormon composition.

Does it suggest Joseph was working from a developing story rather than a fixed source?

Is “Benjamin” a leftover from an earlier story before Mosiah II became the primary king?

If it were merely a typographical fix, why restrict knowledge of the change to a tiny circle?

Does the limiting of the error to a tiny circle signal embarrassment over inconsistency, or something deeper—perhaps concern over exposing how fluid the composition actually was?
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Limnor wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 2:54 am
Shulem, do you see any deeper implications—textual or historical—that the error might carry?

I’d be interested in how you interpret what this slip says about the process behind the Book of Mormon composition.

Does it suggest Joseph was working from a developing story rather than a fixed source?

Is “Benjamin” a leftover from an earlier story before Mosiah II became the primary king?

If it were merely a typographical fix, why restrict knowledge of the change to a tiny circle?

Does the limiting of the error to a tiny circle signal embarrassment over inconsistency, or something deeper—perhaps concern over exposing how fluid the composition actually was?
wooo.

:geek: U asked 5 questions! :shock:

I agree with Dr. Shade’s conclusion he gave in another thread wherein you introduce your working theory about the name change:
Dr. Shades wrote:
Sun Oct 26, 2025 9:23 am
I think it infinitely more likely that the change was made to cover up the goof that King Benjamin was already dead by then.
Your Benjamin/Rigdon connection is a kind of wildcard that simply doesn’t resonate with me at this time; hence, I fail to see any deeper implications—textual or historical—that the error might carry other than it was a simple error (slip) made during one of Smith’s storytelling escapades created on the fly. But with that said, I believe Smith had already formulated ideas of these people years prior when mother Smith recalled how teenage Joseph offered amusing “recitals” (Webster’s) about the former inhabitants of this continent as “if he had spent his whole life with them.” Thus, names and story plots were pieced together years before Smith ever began to translate/dictate a single word to Harris and Cowdery. The names of Lehi, Nephi, Mormon, and Moroni were likely used in “some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined as he described the ancient inhabitants “with every particular while entertaining the Smith family. They got to hear previews of the Book of Mormon years before the translation! The family simply chalked it up as inspiration that prepared him for the work to come in which the full story (ancient book) would be translated and made known to the whole world.

I don’t view the correction in the 1837 edition as a typographical fix but was a deceptive coverup in which Smith managed to convince a tiny circle that this little problem may be solved by incorporating the switch into the new edition and let it ride as if it were merely a translation/transmission blip that crept into the process unawares. Smith (charismatic cult leader) simply convinced them to let it ride and move on. Their fortunes in Mormonism absolutely depended on it.
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Fair enough! Just exploring possibilities here!
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Limnor wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 6:25 pm
Fair enough! Just exploring possibilities here!

I think that’s wonderful and value your contributions to the board. Do carry on to your heart’s content.

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Shulem wrote:
Tue Nov 11, 2025 12:48 am
Brian C. Hales wrote:Changing Critics’ Criticisms of Book of Mormon Changes
In the 1837 edition of the Book of Mormon Joseph Smith replaced the name Benjamin with Mosiah in Mosiah 21:28 and Ether 4:1.
:oops:

Hales is confused; although Smith authorized and changed the name from Benjamin to Mosiah in the Book of Mosiah, he did no such thing for Ether 4:1. The latter was changed in the 1849 edition wherein Orson Pratt was responsible for making that change.
And so:
Brian-baby wrote:It’s been 7 years and nobody at Interpreter has noticed the false statement. They read what they wanted to hear!
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QUESTION FOR INTERPRETER:

Tell us about “King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.”

What’s the name?

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