misleading essay on 'sexism in the exmocommunity'

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Meadowchik wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:41 am
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Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:28 am


Meadowchik, I just finished reading that thread. The stories are heart-breaking. What pain so many women have experienced. Although I didn't consider it at the time, it may have been a silver lining when I left the church to be entirely by myself in a part of the country far away from the Moridor, as I did not interact with a single exmo man until I started posting here, decades later. Sexism occurs everywhere, of course, but I think I may have dodged a few bullets. :roll:

In any case, thank you. I hope you are aware of the private reddit, r/exmo_women. I think you would like it.
You're quite welcome.

Yes, I've been a member of it for years :)
Me too. :D I notice the original Facebook post by Lindsay is now approaching 1000 comments.
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Lem wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:03 am
Meadowchik wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:41 am


You're quite welcome.

Yes, I've been a member of it for years :)
Me too. :D I notice the original Facebook post by Lindsay is now approaching 1000 comments.
Over 1300 comments. And it has been shared and discussed elsewhere.
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...The exMormon community mostly follows (and funds) three prominent white men who they regularly refer to as first presidency of exMos, and they don’t seem to see the irony in that. Sure, there are female voices in the exMormon media sphere, but they are about as prominent (and paid as well, comparatively) as are the female auxiliary officers of the church in comparison to the brethren.

ExMormons hold conferences in Utah, just like in Mormonism. They have t-shirts, stickers, and other car insignia so that they can identify each other in the wild the way BYU sweatshirts and “RULDS2” license plates used to do. They have a “one true” meetinghouse, the exMormon subreddit.
What an odd post. I certainly can't speak to her experience (for obvious reasons), but have any exMormons really ever referred to people as an exMo "First Presidency" (other than perhaps as a joke?)

I used to hang out in the exMo subreddit, but honestly, I think the problem is that it's just too big. It's like wandering around a massive football stadium and having random people hop in and out of conversations. There's no sense of community (that I could see). Most of my comments or jokes depend on some kind of context and shared group memory, and there's just nothing there. Even the larger Reddit group memory is fading (I'll still never ask for a potato at dinner without laughing.) There are some sharp people in the r/exmormon, but there are also plenty of people that are dumb as rocks. And I'm sure misogynists abound as well.

John Dehlin recently interviewed John Larsen, and Larsen really hits on the point that he sees way too much Mormonism in exMormonism when it comes to the way people think and view groups and structure and such. An interesting observation, to be sure (among many in that interview - don't eat bananas).
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Oh, I did remember seeing this on reddit a while back. Not sure if there were other versions with an entirely male FP...

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Funny, if I were to propose an ex-Mo first presidency, it would have

Sandra Tanner
Lavina Fielding Anderson
Margaret Toscano

John Dehlin would be a popular Seventy at best.
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Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:27 pm
Funny, if I were to propose an ex-Mo first presidency, it would have

Sandra Tanner
Lavina Fielding Anderson
Margaret Toscano

John Dehlin would be a popular Seventy at best.
I think they're basing it heavily on current involvement and notoriety. Sandra Tanner, Lavina Fielding Anderson and Margaret Toscano are relatively unknown to the current exMo crowd, and would be considered emeritus GAs at best. I mean, they don't even have their own podcasts, which are the equivalent of exMo weekly church.
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cinepro wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:38 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:27 pm
Funny, if I were to propose an ex-Mo first presidency, it would have

Sandra Tanner
Lavina Fielding Anderson
Margaret Toscano

John Dehlin would be a popular Seventy at best.
I think they're basing it heavily on current involvement and notoriety. Sandra Tanner, Lavina Fielding Anderson and Margaret Toscano are relatively unknown to the current exMo crowd, and would be considered emeritus GAs at best. I mean, they don't even have their own podcasts, which are the equivalent of exMo weekly church.
Weird. I've never once listened to an exmo podcast, but I would recognize the names Sandra Tanner and Lavina Fielding Anderson anywhere.

Who exactly is "the current exmo crowd"?
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Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:27 pm
Weird. I've never once listened to an exmo podcast, but I would recognize the names Sandra Tanner and Lavina Fielding Anderson anywhere.

Who exactly is "the current exmo crowd"?

The people I see at the exMo subbredit and different exMo Facebook groups. Obviously a small subset, but I suspect if you went to most exMo groups and asked them to name three high-profile current exMos, those names aren't going to pop up frequently. But since it's such a disparate group and the whole idea is a joke, who knows?

(FYI, you can see the discussion about who they think got left off at reddit)

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Really is that what ya focus on? Come on.
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cinepro wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:38 pm
I think they're basing it heavily on current involvement and notoriety. Sandra Tanner, Lavina Fielding Anderson and Margaret Toscano are relatively unknown to the current exMo crowd, and would be considered emeritus GAs at best. I mean, they don't even have their own podcasts, which are the equivalent of exMo weekly church.
But I don’t see the FP at church weekly if I am a church-going TBM. The LDS FP is the collection of “senior statesmen” with authority. That GA configuration is a bizarre amalgam of people that looks like the ex-Mo equivalent of what would happen if someone in Moville threw a bunch of TBM Internet personalities into church leadership. So I guess this really says something probative about a certain generation of ex-Mos and the current ex-Mo phenomenon. It is really internet religion and men do seem to squawk louder, desperately seeking affirmation and attention, while women are permitted in the club somewhat more than they would be in the chapel.

But the truth about ex-Mormonism going back to before the internet is that women, in my opinion, have been the most powerful—and most feared by conventional TBMs—voices at the center of the discourse. That is why they are my Ex-Mo FP, or, perhaps, speaking more precisely, ex-LDS FP. So many of the men have been, by comparison, also-rans and pipsqueaks. When I think of the most powerful voices and souls, they are women.
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