wenglund wrote:I understand what empathy is. I am just not clear on how it supposedly applies to a "mirror". Is your bathroom mirror somehow empathetic? If not, does it still work for you?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Well, considering that a bathroom mirror is not another living person trying to help me overcome my cognitive distortions, I would think that your analogy breaks down rather quickly.
But be that as it may, a mirror replicates its subject as accurately as possible, so yes, it does in its own way try to determine what I really am and then use that as the basis of its reflection.
Does a "human mirror" work when it isn't empathetic? Of course not, because it would simply reflect what it wanted to reflect about people, not what was really there.
wenglund wrote:I wasn't aware that I had changed positions. Perhaps you are mistakenly confusing what I actually say with your frequent misunderstandings of what I say. In other words, the errantly supposed flip-flopping is you going back and forth between what I actually say and the straw man you have constructed of me.
What was that you were saying about shifting blame to others, Wade?
Mistaken projections such as this may be a function of cognitive distortions.
Again, pot, meet kettle. Every conversation I've had with you here involves your projecting motivations on others and then insisting that it's someone else's fault for misunderstanding you.
Again, that is news to me. Perhaps you have mistakenly confused my conceeding the futility of my charitably intervening on your behalf (because of your dysfunction) with "misdirected".
Or perhaps you have mistaken your posts for "charitable intervention."
I apologize for having grossly understimated the extent of your dysfunction, and for acting on the false hope that you might be open to reasonably and rationally examining your cognitive distortions, let alone being open to correcting them.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Again, shifting the blame is not exactly evidence of a healthy outlook on life.
Perhaps GIMR is right. I wouldn't be surprised if you were having a grand old time here. I apologize for having taken you seriously.
You know more people would have less headaches if they were to listen to me, LOL. :D
Hit the ignore button, Runtu, hit the ignore button! Hit mute, do something, ROFL
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
desert_vulture wrote:So, is it a cognitive distortion to shift the blame onto others for my mistake of trusting them. No, it is not. It is their fault. These people all violated my trust by teaching things as objectively true, that were not objectively true. The irony lies in the fact that they did it with the purest of motives, and were relying on truth claims they were taught as children. Irony however does not remove responsibility. When we teach a principle as objectively true, and it is not, we carry the blame. Therefore, your premise that people suffering anguish and pain upon discovering the church is not what it claims, is flawed in the sense that they are not shifting blame, they are placing blame where it belongs. A small child is incapable of cognitively determining whether or not he/she is being deceived by a trusted individual. Therefore the blame rests on the person who is teaching that the Book of Mormon is objectively true, when it is a matter of faith whether it is true. The blame rests on the person teaching that the Book of Abraham is an actual translation of papyrus written by the hand of Abraham, when objectively it was neither written by Abraham, nor is it an actual translation of Egyptian. Check your premise, because you will find that placing blame on the responsible parties is different from shifting blame.
Ironically, Wade's charitable intervention is an example of attempting to shift the blame from the church to those who have discovered its fraudulent nature. But now I'm sure I'm guilty of cognitive distortion for having said that. ;-)
Apparently what Wade calls cognitive distortion is in fact folks here seeing the light about what he insists on clinging to. The only distortion I see is Wade, and his behavior was hilariously parodied on Mr. Scratch's Guide to FAIR. I almost peed my pants reading that.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
wenglund wrote:I understand what empathy is. I am just not clear on how it supposedly applies to a "mirror". Is your bathroom mirror somehow empathetic? If not, does it still work for you?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Well, considering that a bathroom mirror is not another living person trying to help me overcome my cognitive distortions, I would think that your analogy breaks down rather quickly.
But be that as it may, a mirror replicates its subject as accurately as possible, so yes, it does in its own way try to determine what I really am and then use that as the basis of its reflection.
Does a "human mirror" work when it isn't empathetic? Of course not, because it would simply reflect what it wanted to reflect about people, not what was really there.
I think you are confusing "empathy" with "accuracy". But, I am not interested in quibbling with you about this.
wenglund wrote:I understand what empathy is. I am just not clear on how it supposedly applies to a "mirror". Is your bathroom mirror somehow empathetic? If not, does it still work for you?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Well, considering that a bathroom mirror is not another living person trying to help me overcome my cognitive distortions, I would think that your analogy breaks down rather quickly.
But be that as it may, a mirror replicates its subject as accurately as possible, so yes, it does in its own way try to determine what I really am and then use that as the basis of its reflection.
Does a "human mirror" work when it isn't empathetic? Of course not, because it would simply reflect what it wanted to reflect about people, not what was really there.
I think you are confusing "empathy" with "accuracy". But, I am not interested in quibbling with you about this.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
No worries, Wade. I'd rather be someone who confuses empathy for accuracy than someone who thinks that the desire for empathy is a dysfunctional need to be over-protected and avoid seeing the truth because of one's personal insecurities. Just typing that makes me realize what a completely dysfunctional statement that was for you to make in the first place. I seriously have never met anyone else who thought empathy was evidence of some kind of emotional defect.
wenglund wrote:I understand what empathy is. I am just not clear on how it supposedly applies to a "mirror". Is your bathroom mirror somehow empathetic? If not, does it still work for you?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Well, considering that a bathroom mirror is not another living person trying to help me overcome my cognitive distortions, I would think that your analogy breaks down rather quickly.
But be that as it may, a mirror replicates its subject as accurately as possible, so yes, it does in its own way try to determine what I really am and then use that as the basis of its reflection.
Does a "human mirror" work when it isn't empathetic? Of course not, because it would simply reflect what it wanted to reflect about people, not what was really there.
I think you are confusing "empathy" with "accuracy". But, I am not interested in quibbling with you about this.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
No worries, Wade. I'd rather be someone who confuses empathy for accuracy than someone who thinks that the desire for empathy is a dysfunctional need to be over-protected and avoid seeing the truth because of one's personal insecurities. Just typing that makes me realize what a completely dysfunctional statement that was for you to make in the first place. I seriously have never met anyone else who thought empathy was evidence of some kind of emotional defect.
Ironically, that is an unempathetic and non-comprehending interpretation of what I said. But, again, I am not interested in quibbling with you about this.