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Who Knows wrote:
maklelan wrote:You're not missing anything unless you're overly concerned about the Kirtland Egyptian Papers...


I think the KEP debate in the pundit forum died down a couple months ago. Has the discussion started up again?


It has. The last post was yesterday by CaliforniaKid.
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harmony wrote:Uh, no. If I was shouting from the rooftops, it would read: I AM HARMONY. Or something similiar. Lower case letters tend to mean normal speaking voice (if you're such an experienced poster, I'm surprised you don't know this already). And my history is only noteworthy for a few people, one of which I caught in a very public lie. No wonder she's still sideways with me.


It was a metaphor.

That kind of histrionics I consider a "huff." If you feel I am wrong then I apologize. Irrespective, I will not make another reference to anyone's attitude on this board.


harmony wrote:Thanks.


You're welcome.

harmony wrote:Nope. I'm one of the banished; I can't even read, let alone register under a different name.


I'd like to know why. I am well aware that people get back on boards under different names, which is the only reason I've ever heard of for locking someone's IP out of a site. If your situation is different, I'd like to hear it.
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Post by _moksha »

What is the latest update on this MAD thread?
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Post by _Brackite »

Hi There Moksha,

You wrote:

moksha wrote:What is the latest update on this MAD thread?


Here are most of the latest Posts there from that Discussion Thread on the MA&D Board:

urroner:
QUOTE(Severian @ Jan 8 2007, 04:05 PM)

I doubt the moderators here are oppressive, perhaps they are just over eager to control the flow of information. However, that can be dysfunctional, since in this electronic medium era, the ostrich can still be located on even if it has its head in the sand. Best to stay out of the sand and allow such links.



Obviously you don't realize the power the mods here have, else you would only be saying that with great fear and trembling. These mods have more power than Santa Claus and he sees you when you're sleeping, they know when you're awake, they know if you've been bad or good (in my case, it's bad or worse, in DCP's case, it's perfect or more perfect), so beware.


You have been warned.


Severian:
QUOTE(urroner @ Jan 8 2007, 02:10 PM)

Obviously you don't realize the power the mods here have, else you would only be saying that with great fear and trembling. These mods have more power than Santa Claus and he sees you when you're sleeping, they know when you're awake, they know if you've been bad or good (in my case, it's bad or worse, in DCP's case, it's perfect or more perfect), so beware.



You have been warned.


I hope you are joking. I imagine that bad behavior on the mods part will only swell the ranks of Dr. Shades board.


selek:
QUOTE(Severian @ Jan 8 2007, 02:14 PM)

I hope you are joking. I imagine that bad behavior on the mods part will only swell the ranks of Dr. Shades board.



So Outer Darkness gets more crowded. Fewer insulting/disruptive elements here. What's the downside?


urroner:
QUOTE(selek @ Jan 8 2007, 04:18 PM)

So Outer Darkness gets more crowded. Fewer insulting/disruptive elements here. What's the downside?



If all the unrighteous bigots leave this board, I can't feel good about myself since I'd be the lowest on the totem pole. That'll be a bummer.


Pahoran:
QUOTE(Severian @ Jan 8 2007, 02:14 PM)
I hope you are joking. I imagine that bad behavior on the mods part will only swell the ranks of Dr. Shades board.


You need to get your irony meter overhauled. Urroner and DCP were joking. For instance, DCP's "high quality discussion" referred to nothing but spiteful and largely content-free venting.

And, just FYI: the mods aren't the slightest bit "eager to control the flow of information." That is a carefully cultivated myth of Shades' board.

Here is another: the claim that Shades' board has greater "freedom of speech" than this one does.

It doesn't. As Shades, Keen, Beastie and all the rest who make that claim know perfectly well.

Regards,
Pahoran


Here is the URL Address to that Discussion Thread there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 0913&st=40
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It doesn't. As Shades, Keen, Beastie and all the rest who make that claim know perfectly well.


Pahoran has this strange habit of asserting that his perceived opponents "know" things "perfectly well". It is borderline delusional.

No, the MAD board is far more censored than this board has been. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
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harmony wrote:Nope. I'm one of the banished; I can't even read, let alone register under a different name.


I'd like to know why. I am well aware that people get back on boards under different names, which is the only reason I've ever heard of for locking someone's IP out of a site. If your situation is different, I'd like to hear it.


Years ago, 2 friends and I were surfing the web, looking for LDS sites. I was a veteran of LDStalk, LDSfriends, The Sheltering Tree, Folk of the Fringe, and Notes from Zarahemla. My friends were new to the web. Josh Skains and I were battling about polygamy on the Fringe, when he invited me to ZLMB where he was sure the apologists could set me straight. So when we found ZLMB, we were expecting something a lot different. What we saw was as cantankerous, ornery, unkind, vicious a group of purported LDS members as we'd ever seen. So we decided to see how they would react to someone totally off the wall. Would they show kindness and love as our religion teaches, or would they attack? We created WAzing, and we registered so we could post. Suffice to say, we created a firestorm, since the first post we put up sent us to the principal's office (we called DCP a self-righteous prick). We posted as WAzing for a week or more, and the place was flying. The mods did NOT appreciate us, because we were totally off the wall, but we knew enough about LDS to show that we were members. Eventually, the mods had to shut down the board for a couple of days to clean up the mess. DCP threatened to leave the board if WAzing wasn't banned. Juliann and Pahoran went more and more ballistic with every post. We received several threats of bodily harm, and real life stalking became a very real possibility, as several posters were tracing my ISP.

Then we uncloaked and told everyone the whole episode had been an experiment to further the study of human reactions. I took the heat, because I was the only one anyone knew. Oh my. Some of the posters were spiteful, some vicious, some were very kind (I remember cal was one of the few who emerged from that episode with her integrity intact). You can guess who reacted well to that very public call for repentence and who didn't.

The next time I got sideways of the mods on ZLMB was over a lie that Juliann told. She claimed to have seen a transcript for Thomas Murphy's presentation at a conference. When pressed to produce the transcript, she refused to acknowledge that it didn't exist. She claimed that she'd meant notes an attendee had taken, yet it was transparent that she had indeed claimed that she had a transcript of the session. The thread went on for days, until she finally admitted, albeti very uncharitably, that she had lied and that there really was no transcript. I was on very thin ice from that moment on, because I would not let it die. Shades was my partner in that one.

Over the next few years, most of the LDS posters left ZLMB, and it became the outpost of apostates and non-members with a few TBM's that it is today. I was blamed for that eventual demise of ZLMB, even though by that time, I was banned from ZLMB (for a thread about LDS men's sexual issues).

Knowing how the mods at FAIR felt about harmony, I registered on FAIR as Blink, a nickname I'd used for years in LDS chat rooms. I posted for quite a while, under the mod radar. But when I got sideways of Juliann and Nighthawke on a thread about polygamy, she realized who I was, and I was immediately put on the Q. When I asked how long I'd be on the Q, the PM from the mods was that I would never get off the Q. When I asked why, I was told it was because I was harmony. None of my posts ever made it out of the Q. So I re-registered, this time as Dill Pickles. I existed for several months as the Pickle, contributing my perspective in a very lowkey manner. I was banned as the Pickle without any warning, without any messages or emails, simply because the powers that be figured out that the Pickle was harmony and I'd committed the unpardonable sin of jumping the Q they'd placed Blink on. I was Q'd because I was harmony and banned for the same reason.

At this time, my ISP is banned and I cannot even read the threads. The only time I see a thread from MAD is when someone brings it here.

Others here have been similiarly banned because they have good arguments, because they caught our apologists in lies or gossip, because they have an off-the-wall sense of humor, and for simply being who they are. Even TruthDancer has been banned in the past, although I think she can currently post.
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beastie wrote:
It doesn't. As Shades, Keen, Beastie and all the rest who make that claim know perfectly well.


Pahoran has this strange habit of asserting that his perceived opponents "know" things "perfectly well". It is borderline delusional.

No, the MAD board is far more censored than this board has been. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

Pahoran knows perfectly well that once he creates a fact from thin air...many Mormons will believe it has always been a fact. I think that's the basis for belief in the Book of Mormon.
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harmony wrote:
maklelan wrote:Have you attempted to register there under a false name after being kicked off?


Nope. I'm one of the banished; I can't even read, let alone register under a different name.


I hope you don't mind that I point this out:

harmony wrote:When I asked how long I'd be on the Q, the PM from the mods was that I would never get off the Q. When I asked why, I was told it was because I was harmony. None of my posts ever made it out of the Q. So I re-registered, this time as Dill Pickles. I existed for several months as the Pickle, contributing my perspective in a very lowkey manner. I was banned as the Pickle without any warning, without any messages or emails, simply because the powers that be figured out that the Pickle was harmony and I'd committed the unpardonable sin of jumping the Q they'd placed Blink on. I was Q'd because I was harmony and banned for the same reason.


You weren't banned for simply being yourself, you were banned because you lied and broke a rule. You can't keep reregistering at places you've been kicked off of and then get mad at them when they find a way to keep you off.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

So, Brackite,

Has anyone actually addressed the topic?

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Post by _Enuma Elish »

Hello Jersey Girl,

Has anyone actually addressed the topic?


No. No one has addressed the topic. Just alot of playing around mostly.

The truth is that I’m not aware of any LDS scholar who has made the clearly false claim that Latter-day Saints are the fulfillment of Qumranic Judaism.

Vegas is simply wrong.

In the FARMS book, The Dead Sea Scrolls Questions and Responses for Latter-day Saints, authors Donald W. Parry and Stephen D. Ricks state:

“Our preparation of this volume does not imply a historical or theological connection between the beliefs of the people of Qumran and Latter-day Saints. Numerous similarities exist between any two religious groups, but here are also differences—and the differences often are more consequential than the similarities. While we may see several similarities between Latter-day Saint and the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we also see equally interesting similarities between the latter group and religious groups of other historical periods and locales. There are actually far more differences between the Qumranites and the Latter-day Saints than there are similarities.” (xii).

I provided more informaiton in the Celestial Kingdom thread created by Liz.

Have a great night.
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