Another Mo gets banned from.....

[_why me]

Why don't you go there and ask and then report back?

I was banned. No can do. The general manager runs a tight ship over there.

There seems to be different rules for Mormons and postmormons.

What? You were banned?

I mean c'mon, based on your activity(or lack of) you really aren't Mormon. You are about as Mormon as an easter catholic is catholic.

In many ways you are correct. When I discovered the postmorg I had been reading all the anti-stuff on the internet. At that time I recently discovered all that information. I came across RFM but found them to be too negative. I continued reading the antimormon literature and was rather shocked with what I found.

Then, I discovered the postmorg. I read their mission statement and I said to myself maybe I can relate to these people since they still cherish their positive experiences when they were Mormon. And so, I began to post. I was mistaken. Negative after negative came on their threads about the LDS church. I began to post positives about the LDS experience and to challenge some of their assumptions or generalizations. Thus, the problems developed. I pointed out their mission statement and how I am still within their mission statement. Finally, I was banned and told that my future will be doomed and that I will be a failure on FAIR. So far no problem except with the postmorg.

[_why me]

Being an exmormon, either with a family still fully committed to Mormonism, or living in a culture dominated by Mormonism, is very frustrating. The Mormons around the person usually convey no respect for your loss of faith, and often continue to badger or "guilt" the individual about the topic. Exmormons can be treated like pariahs in the larger society, as well, when it is LDS dominated. The LDS church has done such a good job convincing its members that there is no legitimate justification for loss of faith, that any loss of faith is due to the weakness or sin of the particular person, that the members usually just automatically react to exmormons as if they are tainted. The exception is when the individual member has also struggled with doubt.

This creates a lot of resentment. Even if you do not agree with exmormons, at least admit that there are more than enough problematic claims in the church to make loss of faith quite sane and reasonable. Of course this cannot be admitted in any church that claims to be the "one true" church, can it?

When people leave OTHER religions that do not indoctrinate their members with either "one truism" or "evil apostate" myths, this phenomenon does not occur. People just leave and everyone goes on as normal. It's only in religions that teach "one truisms" or "evil apostate' myths that this phenomenon occurs. That ought to give you a little clue as to its cause.

So yes, they continue to need to vent, because even after leaving Mormonism, it affects their lives in negative ways. Instead of just allowing them to do so and simply not visiting their sites if it disturbs you so, you want to control that aspect of their life, too, and not even allow them that. And then you complain when they rightfully don't allow you to do so.

I can understand what you are saying. My only problem is their mission statement. I posted a part of it previously. If they still value the good when they were Mormons, then they should let people post the good or to challenge their over generalizations. The site is actually a recovery board and this should be in their mission statement. Certainly these people have not moved beyond Mormonism as their mission statement suggests. However, I do think that their mission statement is great, but I still think that it is misreading. Again I can be wrong. But for a Mormon, the mission statement does seem dialogical and open minded.

But their threads are onesidely negative about their Mormon experience and it doesn't seem that they want dialogue with Mormons.

Usually, the family situation works both ways. It is not easy when your child or relative begins to post on an antimormon site about their terrible experiences in the LDS church and how it is all bogus. And I am sure that they can bring this attitude into their family situations.

[_why me]

Defining antimormon again is very hard to do and is totally subjective. You have your definition and I have mine and they have theirs. So someone who leaves the church makes no waves what so ever are they antimormon? Wouldn't an inactive be the opposite of pro-mormon? Just be their lack of action? Does it take an action to be antimormon?

We can go on and on about this, back and forth, but where do you draw the ____line____? When does someone become an antimormon, or non pro-mormon, or inactive? Is a faithful lemming a pro-mormon?

Beastie's last two posts have been spot on. Please read them and try to understand. The "true church" cliché brings a lot of baggage with lots of people in and out of the church. By the time someone makes it to a message board the majority of them have heard all the Polly Anna Mormon responses and are tired of hearing it again.

I think that my problem stems from their mission statement especially with the section that I posted previously. A person should not be banned for posting positives about the LDS experience or for challenging over generalizations about the LDS church. Their mission statement makes it clear that they value the good of their LDS experience and that they have moved on from the Mormon experience. Now if only I can read the good sometime, I may change my mind about the postmorg.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Why don't you go there and ask and then report back?

I was banned. No can do. The general manager runs a tight ship over there.

There seems to be different rules for Mormons and postmormons.

What? You were banned?

I mean c'mon, based on your activity(or lack of) you really aren't Mormon. You are about as Mormon as an easter catholic is catholic.

In many ways you are correct. When I discovered the postmorg I had been reading all the anti-stuff on the internet. At that time I recently discovered all that information. I came across RFM but found them to be too negative. I continued reading the antimormon literature and was rather shocked with what I found.

Then, I discovered the postmorg. I read their mission statement and I said to myself maybe I can relate to these people since they still cherish their positive experiences when they were Mormon. And so, I began to post. I was mistaken. Negative after negative came on their threads about the LDS church. I began to post positives about the LDS experience and to challenge some of their assumptions or generalizations. Thus, the problems developed. I pointed out their mission statement and how I am still within their mission statement. Finally, I was banned and told that my future will be doomed and that I will be a failure on FAIR. So far no problem except with the postmorg.

If you relate these so called positive LDS experiences in the same manner as you do here, I can see why they told you to take a hike.

Perhaps they know that you are a hypocrite and do not live by your own word?

[_why me]

Why don't you go there and ask and then report back?

I was banned. No can do. The general manager runs a tight ship over there.

There seems to be different rules for Mormons and postmormons.

What? You were banned?

I mean c'mon, based on your activity(or lack of) you really aren't Mormon. You are about as Mormon as an easter catholic is catholic.

In many ways you are correct. When I discovered the postmorg I had been reading all the anti-stuff on the internet. At that time I recently discovered all that information. I came across RFM but found them to be too negative. I continued reading the antimormon literature and was rather shocked with what I found.

Then, I discovered the postmorg. I read their mission statement and I said to myself maybe I can relate to these people since they still cherish their positive experiences when they were Mormon. And so, I began to post. I was mistaken. Negative after negative came on their threads about the LDS church. I began to post positives about the LDS experience and to challenge some of their assumptions or generalizations. Thus, the problems developed. I pointed out their mission statement and how I am still within their mission statement. Finally, I was banned and told that my future will be doomed and that I will be a failure on FAIR. So far no problem except with the postmorg.

If you relate these so called positive LDS experiences in the same manner as you do here, I can see why they told you to take a hike.

Perhaps they know that you are a hypocrite and do not live by your own word?

I moved on from that time. I read more literature that gave a balance to countermo agruments. But at that time, I was just a little devastated. No more. I did not find them living up to their mission statement. What is a hypocrite? Someone who lives life one way and yet believes differently or says differently. I am not a hypocrite. I have been upfront with my church standing. But thanks for the insult. You would fit in well over there.

[_Polygamy Porter]

I moved on from that time. I read more literature that gave a balance to countermo agruments. But at that time, I was just a little devastated. No more. I did not find them living up to their mission statement. What is a hypocrite? Someone who lives life one way and yet believes differently or says differently. I am not a hypocrite. I have been upfront with my church standing. But thanks for the insult. You would fit in well over there.

Read the name, "POST Mormon" as in AFTER, not PRE, not RETURNING, but POST.

You do not fit in there because your posting style makes them feel like you are trying to reason them back to membership on the premise that even though there are many issues and lies, go back for the good experiences.

That makes you a hypocrite. You are nearly completely inactive and have been for what, 30 YEARS?

So if you were active you would not belong there, and you do not belong there parading around as someone you are not.

You are not even a fence sitter.

Perhaps you are a split personality wannabe? Wish you could be exmo, and cannot be active mo.

Pa-frigging-thetic.