charity wrote:Inconceivable wrote:Moroni and Mormon still said their lineage came through the chief white guy (and not the black guy's lineage).
So, they were supposed to lie and say they were descended from Laman?
The point is that they did mention this. The assumption is made that it had great significance to them to claim that their blood lineage was clean to Nephi.Inconceivable wrote:Not one writer of the Book of Mormon was a black man. Not one. They even left out Samuel the Lamanite's speach until Jesus called them to repentance.
The Book of Mormon is a compilation of books through a specific lineage. Nephi's. Not Laman's. So?
21 Wherefore, for this cause hath the Lord God promised unto me that these things which I write shall be kept and preserved, and handed down unto my seed, from generation to generation, that the promise may be fulfilled unto Joseph, that his seed should never perish as long as the earth should stand.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 25:21)
Close enough.Inconceivable wrote:Lamoni offered a cursed daughter to Ammon and was rejected (for whatever reason).
So if you were to go into somebody's house and he said, "Here sleep with my daughter" you would clap your hands and jump into bed. Not very discriminating of you.
Lamoni did not sacrifice his daughter for the purposes of temporary fornication, he offered her to him to be his wife.
24 And it came to pass that king Lamoni was much pleased with Ammon, and caused that his bands should be loosed; and he would that Ammon should take one of his daughters to wife.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 17:24)Inconceivable wrote:Nephites suggested to Ammon and the sons of Mosiah that it would be more viable to exterminate the cursed black people rather than teach them Mormonism (which, by the way, they were proved wrong).
I would like to see what lead you to think this. I can't find it. So please point me to chapter and verse on this one. thanks.
24 For they said unto us: Do ye suppose that ye can bring the Lamanites to the knowledge of the truth? Do ye suppose that ye can convince the Lamanites of the incorrectness of the traditions of their fathers, as stiffnecked a people as they are; whose hearts delight in the shedding of blood; whose days have been spent in the grossest iniquity; whose ways have been the ways of a transgressor from the beginning? Now my brethren, ye remember that this was their language.
25 And moreover they did say: Let us take up arms against them, that we destroy them and their iniquity out of the land, lest they overrun us and destroy us.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 26:24 - 25)Inconceivable wrote:Jershon was not inhabited by whites, only by blacks - segregated for whatever reason.
Sort of brings to remembrance another people who were given a land they names Goshen. Or don't you read the
Bible?
21 And it came to pass that the chief judge sent a proclamation throughout all the land, desiring the voice of the people concerning the admitting their brethren, who were the people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi.
22 And it came to pass that the voice of the people came, saying: Behold, we will give up the land of Jershon, which is on the east by the sea, which joins the land Bountiful, which is on the south of the land Bountiful; and this land Jershon is the land which we will give unto our brethren for an inheritance.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 27:21 - 22)
Not assimulated. They shared the exact Mormon religeon yet they were separated by color. They were not separated by race. They shared the same fathers.
Jershon: Inhabited by blacks only. Given to them by whites on condition of an undisclosed amount of taxation:
24 And now behold, this will we do unto our brethren, that they may inherit the land Jershon; and we will guard them from their enemies with our armies, on condition that they will give us a portion of their substance to assist us that we may maintain our armies.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 27:24)
Goshen: another time, another place. A different subject.Inconceivable wrote:Jesus said Samuel was a prophet, but not the prophet. We do not know but that he became white because he was Mormon.
Today we have the same conditions. We have THE prophet, or president of the Church. Then there are the other prophets the members of the Quorum of the Twelve.
??Inconceivable wrote:There is no specific account that Nephites married into the lineage of Lamanites unless they rebelled (like the priests of king Noah or Amalakiah).
Again, arguing from ignorance. Not very bright.
The statement stands on it's own. Intercolor marriage is only mentioned as being practiced by apostates. Your acusation of ignorance is not referenced, neither is my brightness.Inconceivable wrote:God's primary purpose for the existance of the Lamanites (blacks) was to stir the whites up to repentance. If the whites would not repent but ripen in iniquity they would be wiped from the face of the earth by the cursed black Lamanites.
You presume to speak for God?
23 For behold, in that day that they shall rebel against me, I will curse them even with a sore curse, and they shall have no power over thy seed except they shall rebel against me also.
24 And if it so be that they rebel against me, they shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in the ways of remembrance.
(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 2:23 - 24)
3 But, wo, wo, unto you that are not pure in heart, that are filthy this day before God; for except ye repent the land is cursed for your sakes; and the Lamanites, which are not filthy like unto you, nevertheless they are cursed with a sore cursing, shall scourge you even unto destruction.
(Book of Mormon | Jacob 3:3)Inconceivable wrote:
At the end of the Book of Mormon, there is no distinction between color, both groups were equally evil. Those last to call themselves Nephites (regardless of racial origin) were hunted down by the so-called Lamanites and exterminated. The begining of the book's prophesies are a contradiction to the actual fulfillments. 'ites meant nothing in the end - both were evil - it was a civil war, not a war over Mormonism.
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The question being, is the extermination of a group calling themselves Nephites a fullfillment of holy prophesy? No. Both groups were mixed with black, white, mixed - all being non-believers. All desenters from the Mormon faith. Mormons were cast out of both groups. The Lamanites specifically are named in causing the extermination of THE RIGHTEOUS that happened to be among the Nephites. THE Mormons were to be preserved if they kept the commandments according to prophesy - THEY WERE NOT PRESERVED. THEY WERE DESTROYED. Name designation was political (not religeous) in nature.Inconceivable wrote:
Yet Mormon and Moroni made a point to infer they were of the lineage of non-cursed white men.
..You really do not understand the Book of Mormom.
You really should learn what you want to talk about before you start typing.
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