The Real Hell of Mormonism

[_bcspace]

This has to be one of the saddest threads I have ever read. That such despair has been suffered-- if by even no more than you folks-- has to indicate Mormonism is deserving of the condemnation it receieves re its strange doctrines.

So far, I've yet to see any of you ex, anti, or jack Mormons accurately describe our doctrine. It's so ridiculously simple that one wonders if this is on purpose to foster an agenda or to scratch the worm within you that dieth not.

Am I stating this as an Atheist? I think not. As a Theist? I don't know. IAM stating this as one who knows more about life than death. In that I'm with the 100% multitude. I respectfully suggest death too I will share with the multitude in total ignorance, beyond the understanding of our physical decomposition back to the elements from which we came.

But, one can escape the primitive mythology and fostered ignorance of the ages. One can even attend church for social pleasures, as any other place of entertainment and enjoyment. To think Ecclesiasts and Theologians can lead folks to Heaven, while Scientists and Intellectuals will lead one to Hell, is believed at high risk to personal psyche health and physical well being.

Until you make up your mind about whether or not you are an Atheist or a Theist, you will always be confused.

ANY thoughts concerning ANY biblical suggestion of After-life is, IMSCO, speculative supposition without evidence in the slightest that can stand ANY test.

Theist or Athiest?

[_The Nehor]

Interesting that so many "appendages" can keep you from exaltation.

Yes, it certainly is.

"Appendage" is a term that the brethren have used throughout many General Conference talks when discussing the simplicity of the Gospel.

The "appendages" certainly tend to veer off the beaten path of the "Jesus is the Redeemer" message, don't they?

;)

Not really, the rest is how to use that Redemption which is pretty important.

[_Scottie]

Interesting that so many "appendages" can keep you from exaltation.

Yes, it certainly is.

"Appendage" is a term that the brethren have used throughout many General Conference talks when discussing the simplicity of the Gospel.

The "appendages" certainly tend to veer off the beaten path of the "Jesus is the Redeemer" message, don't they?

;)

Not really, the rest is how to use that Redemption which is pretty important.

And, which is very complicated. ie. The Gospel(tm) is NOT simple.

[_The Nehor]

Interesting that so many "appendages" can keep you from exaltation.

Yes, it certainly is.

"Appendage" is a term that the brethren have used throughout many General Conference talks when discussing the simplicity of the Gospel.

The "appendages" certainly tend to veer off the beaten path of the "Jesus is the Redeemer" message, don't they?

;)

Not really, the rest is how to use that Redemption which is pretty important.

And, which is very complicated. ie. The Gospel(tm) is NOT simple.

This I agree with.

[_Roger Morrison]

I think either virtually everyone is going to the CK or virtually no one is. But as Roger says, it's all speculation; no one's ever returned from there to report to the rest of us. We don't even know for sure if there is life after we die. All this preparation to meet God could be a waste of time. For people who cannot deal with ambiguity, this question is a deal-breaker.

Hi Harmony, you speak the truth, "...no one's ever returned..." except that is, in the fable intended to be taken as truth. Congrats on your sense of realism. Interesting to me, is that your understanding of that has not driven you from whatever you do receive from LDSism. Which confirms my sentiment, "...baby needn't go out with the bath-water..." Lots of--maybe an exageration, maybe some--good stuff within Mormonism when one selects from the buffet, but doesn't glut.

As for the "...waste of time...", I think that results when one engages the human constructs of ALL temple fabrications that pertain to nothing but speculations in mystical 'pretend-estate'. Another MAJOR error of LDSism, diverting resources from the necessities--pointed out by THE Humanist, Jesus of Nazareth--"...feed/clothe my sheep..." et al to agrandizing LDS unique theology.

OTOH, IF "time" was invested in the very basic and obvious human defiencies, caused by avoiding the responsibilities of compassion to the suffering amongs us, the age-old corruptions of greed and power would not be perpetuated.

Unfortunately as each Empire takes their turn-at-bat they eventually strike-out. Having not understood their resonsibility of service, they subvert their talents and resources to mastery, dominion and exploitation. To this point, ever thus. The future???

As long as humans are more interested in their religion than in their fellow human's state of physical well being, the dropped ball will simply be picked up by other discompassionates until,,,,, "Hell freezes over" and silly discussion about Heaven & Hell will be laughed out of existance.

Warm regards, Roger

[_Roger Morrison]

This has to be one of the saddest threads I have ever read. That such despair has been suffered-- if by even no more than you folks-- has to indicate Mormonism is deserving of the condemnation it receieves re its strange doctrines.

So far, I've yet to see any of you ex, anti, or jack Mormons accurately describe our doctrine. It's so ridiculously simple that one wonders if this is on purpose
to foster an agenda or to scratch the worm within you that dieth not.

Am I stating this as an Atheist? I think not. As a Theist? I don't know. IAM stating this as one who knows more about life than death. In that I'm with the 100% multitude. I respectfully suggest death too I will share with the multitude in total ignorance, beyond the understanding of our physical decomposition back to the elements from which we came.

But, one can escape the primitive mythology and fostered ignorance of the ages. One can even attend church for social pleasures, as any other place of entertainment and enjoyment. To think Ecclesiasts and Theologians can lead folks to Heaven, while Scientists and Intellectuals will lead one to Hell, is believed at high risk to personal psyche health and physical well being.

Until you make up your mind about whether or not you are an Atheist or a Theist, you will always be confused.

ANY thoughts concerning ANY biblical suggestion of After-life is, IMSCO, speculative supposition without evidence in the slightest that can stand ANY test.

Theist or Athiest?

Hi Bcs, interesting comments deserving my attention & explainations, as best i can:

So far, I've yet to see any of you ex, anti, or jack Mormons accurately describe our doctrine. It's so ridiculously simple that one wonders if this is on purpose to foster an agenda or to scratch the worm within you that dieth not.

A mistake on my part. I assumed you too were aware of them. Not sure what agenda you might have in mind, that you think i do have in mind? Is it necessary for you to suggest i have an undieing "worm"? What do you mean by such derogative suppositions of a brother?

Until you make up your mind about whether or not you are an Atheist or a Theist, you will always be confused.

Not confused; contemplative. As Joseph was when he entered the Grove. Actually, at the time i believed LDSism had all the answers to all the questions re life, i think i was blissfully in ignorance. Which at the time seemed to serve me well. As my 'servant' at that time, i say "thanks". Having graduated from Mormonism, life takes on a reality that LDSism shadowed. What you do bcs with your LDS understanding is your own application, as i'm sure you know. May all of your days be according to principles upon which happy depends. They are nonsectarian, nondenominatioal and nonreligious.

(EDITED, below in attempt to reduce confusion :-)

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ANY thoughts concerning ANY biblical suggestion of After-life is, IMSCO, speculative supposition without evidence in the slightest that can stand ANY test. (RM's original statement.)

Theist or Athiest? (Asked by bcs)

RM: Neither party has the definitive (absolute true:-) answer, IMSCO. Although, thinking as i now do, religion is rapidly losing face on the question of "after-life" as they traditionally put forward... Warm regards, Roger

[_harmony]

As for the "...waste of time...", I think that results when one engages the human constructs of ALL temple fabrications that pertain to nothing but speculations in mystical 'pretend-estate'. Another MAJOR error of LDSism, diverting resources from the necessities--pointed out by THE Humanist, Jesus of Nazareth--"...feed/clothe my sheep..." et al to agrandizing LDS unique theology.

Can you imagine the missionary program, if missionaries were more like Peace Corp volunteers?

[_Roger Morrison]

As for the "...waste of time...", I think that results when one engages the human constructs of ALL temple fabrications that pertain to nothing but speculations in mystical 'pretend-estate'. Another MAJOR error of LDSism, diverting resources from the necessities--pointed out by THE Humanist, Jesus of Nazareth--"...feed/clothe my sheep..." et al to agrandizing LDS unique theology.

Can you imagine the missionary program, if missionaries were more like Peace Corp volunteers?

"Great minds think alike!" Decades ago I suggested, in writing, such a modified program to the then presiding Pres in the Quebec Canada, Mission.
"Merci beau coup, but no-thank-you!"

Like Jack Nicolson's character in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", who wrestled with a floor mounted basin, and failed to budge it. Laughed at by the other inmates, he responded, "but I tried." Ya probably know, "the rest of the story." (A best-of-all-time-movie) Warm regards Sis, Roger

[_harmony]

As for the "...waste of time...", I think that results when one engages the human constructs of ALL temple fabrications that pertain to nothing but speculations in mystical 'pretend-estate'. Another MAJOR error of LDSism, diverting resources from the necessities--pointed out by THE Humanist, Jesus of Nazareth--"...feed/clothe my sheep..." et al to agrandizing LDS unique theology.

Can you imagine the missionary program, if missionaries were more like Peace Corp volunteers?

"Great minds think alike!" Decades ago I suggested, in writing, such a modified program to the then presiding Pres in the Quebec Canada, Mission.
"Merci beau coup, but no-thank-you!"

Like Jack Nicolson's character in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", who wrestled with a floor mounted basin, and failed to budge it. Laughed at by the other inmates, he responded, "but I tried." Ya probably know, "the rest of the story." (A best-of-all-time-movie) Warm regards Sis, Roger

I think it would be a huge boon, both to the church and to the missionary. And what a blessing to the world, to have 50,000 missionaries that actually were caring for their fellow man?

[_Roger Morrison]

Too ABSOLUTELY true! How come not doing it? Oh well, one funeral at a time , eh? :-)