Karma is a biiiiatch

[_AmazingDisgrace]

I see you are still stuck in a persecution complex. Tell ya what. Why don't I move next to you and start preaching in my driveway that your land is Gods and God is giving your land to me.

This is an accurate parallel of what the Mormons were doing in Jackson County.

Then, when you protest I will use intimidation, threaten you and your family and make sure to do the same for all the neighbors around you. Now imagine that half the neighborhood is doing the same thing, referencing a charismatic asshat who gave us the idea in the first place.

This is not.

Yes tar and feathering was justified, as was the practice for dealing with rabble rousers in that day and age on the frontier. They were lucky they were not castrated and strung up.

I find it hard to believe that you actually think violence like this was acceptable based entirely on how common it was in a certain area and time.

[_AmazingDisgrace]

I don't know much about what went on in Missouri in the mid 1830s. The one book I've read about Missouri and the Mormons, the LeSueuer book, basically picks up in 1838. My take on at least the 1838 situation is that, while some Missourians went way beyond what could be considered right and legal, by and large the Mormons acted in ways, at least in 1838, that one must ask just how did they expect 1838 frontier Missourians to act in response. I don't know if the earlier Missouri dealings were similar in nature. I guess I'd have to find a good book about and read some.

I'm also of the opinion that Mormons and Missourians share the blame for the events of the 1838 Mormon War. Zion's Camp, the Danite raids, the Salt Sermon, and the mutilation of Samuel Tarwater at the Battle of Crooked River all escalated the situation. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Mormons expelled from Jackson County in 1833 had done anything to provoke the amount of hostility that was directed at them. Their worst crimes were obnoxious bragging about their chosen status and being culturally different from the Missourians. Unless there's evidence I'm not aware of, it's true that the Missourians started the violence.

But really, this is a bad thread to be having this conversation in. Whatever the Mormons in Missouri, or Nauvoo, or whatever did, this has nothing to do with a couple of neonazi teenage punks shooting pellet guns at a couple of hapless Mormon boys. Nothing whatsoever. Continuing the discussion in the context of this thread is just a very bad idea.

I agree. Mercury, if you have evidence that Jackson County Mormons used intimidation and threatened Missourian families, as you claimed, let's discuss it in a new thread.

[_moksha]

I feel for the youths attacked and decry the bullies who perpetrated the act but don't all of you Mormons trip over yourselves to lap this up and wave it like a flag of pride.

I hear you feel for these youth who were shot, but that horrid act only affords an opportunity to take pot shots of your own at the Chirch, eh?

[_Mercury]

I find it hard to believe that you actually think violence like this was acceptable based entirely on how common it was in a certain area and time.

The act of tarring and feathering is an interesting phenomenon since the middle ages. Its an act of public humiliation, like the scarlet letter. Does it hurt? Hell yes it does, but so does a bikini wax.

The men who humiliated those who would use the gullibility of the (mostly) unfortunate to score tail and real estate should be congratulated.

[_Mercury]

I feel for the youths attacked and decry the bullies who perpetrated the act but don't all of you Mormons trip over yourselves to lap this up and wave it like a flag of pride.

I hear you feel for these youth who were shot, but that horrid act only affords an opportunity to take pot shots of your own at the Chirch, eh?

You know that still small voice in the back of your head telling you that life isn't crap because you have the truth? I SQUISH it.



Too vague?

[_ajax18]

Yeah, and the African American race has every right to do anything they want to the white man because of what happened 200 years ago.

Slavery may have ended in the 1860, but it was still 100 years until African Americans started getting equal rights although they are still discriminated against today too (yeah, it works the other way sometimes, but still).

How are African Americans discriminated against today? I think their worst enemies are other African Americans.

In a way racial discrimination is a result of karma as well. When your race or people do good things, you benefit from being a part of that race. People trust you. When your race causes problems all the time, you find it hard to get people to rent a house to you because they associate you with the people who caused problems. It's not fair for people to discriminate in this way, but at the same time I think we all have an obligation to whatever race we come from to make its reputation better than before we were a part of it. That might prove more successful than trying to legislate against racism. I think we could learn a lot from the Asian race and the value they place on "disgracing" the family name.

[_moksha]

Too vague?

I might have caught this if I were younger and understood the reference to something or other but yes, it is way too vague.

[_solomarineris]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/05/05/20080505beating0506.html

This article outlines the taking of what Mormons have given in the past.

But do not get me wrong. I feel for the youths attacked and decry the bullies who perpetrated the act but don't all of you Mormons trip over yourselves to lap this up and wave it like a flag of pride.

For context in this matter and the manner I approach it, lets look at this:

"The process of whittling out an officer was as follows: A great tall man by the name of Hosea Stout was the captain of the Whittling society, and he had about a dozen assistants. They all had great bowie knives and would get a long piece of pine board and get up close to the officer and pretend to be cutting the pine board, but would cut over it and cut near the officer. In the meantime, small boys would get tin pans, old bells and all sorts of things to make a noise with and surround the officer. No one would touch or say a word to him, but the noise drowned all that he would say".

LUCKY FOR THEM FOR NOT MEETING ME, I ALWAYS CARRY A .38 SPECIAL IN MY MARK NASON DRAGON MESSANGER BAG.