Mormon forum lights up over California gay change

[_beastie]

I recognize that you insult pretty much everyone, yet, I seriously wonder if you just don't recognize how much you do? I can only do self depreciation and wit for so long. Especially after I personally asked you off the boards to please consider refraining from some of your comments because they were embarrassing, to me. You deleted a few on one thread and then you just started right back in. Anyway.

Here's my psychobabble two cents.

Coggins is suffering from a form of an inferiority complex - not that he secretly views himself as inferior, but he believes that others view him as inferior. In particular, he thinks "righteous Mormons" view him as morally inferior due to his problems with alcohol and sporadic activity. Deep down, he probably agrees with this assessment and does feel morally inferior. On top of that, he believes that people with university degrees view him as their intellectual inferior, and he does not agree with that assessment and views it as leftist elitism.

So, like many people with inferiority complexes, he seeks to feel superior to others in *some* way. He feels morally superior to exmormons and to gentiles who don't keep LDS standards of chastity and WoW. He likes to remind himself of that superiority, and uses the tactic you outlined above to do so. At the same time, he has the added benefit of being snarky to people who, he thinks, have an unjustified superiority complex towards him due to his lack of education. So he's getting a double pay-back from this. And, of course, this will be demonstrated more clearly towards females, due to his Mormon background which creates the tendency to be more dismissive towards women.

He reminds me of white, poor, and uneducated (self or otherwise) people who are deeply wedded to their prejudices against African Americans. It's the salve to their wounded egos.

[_antishock8]

He reminds me of white, poor, and uneducated (self or otherwise) people who are deeply wedded to their prejudices against African Americans. It's the salve to their wounded egos.

I'm not sure why white people are always held up as examples of racism. I think we do a better job of combatting racism within our own race than other races do. One thing that has consistently surprised me is the overt racism of black people toward other races, and toward white people in particular. I feel that particular sting on occasion here in the South. Reverend White, it seems, is the norm and not the exception among the general black population. That aside, I've heard extremely derogatory comments levied toward other races from all stripes. Koreans hate black people. Black people hate white people. Brown people are "La Raza", and don't like black people. Blacks hate Arabs. Arabs hate Jews. Etc...

So, to point, I'm tired of the self-flagellation white people seem to think is acceptable. It's not. I don't like it. It's offensive.

[_Chap]

He reminds me of white, poor, and uneducated (self or otherwise) people who are deeply wedded to their prejudices against African Americans. It's the salve to their wounded egos.

I'm not sure why white people are always held up as examples of racism. I think we do a better job of combatting racism within our own race than other races do. One thing that has consistently surprised me is the overt racism of black people toward other races, and toward white people in particular. I feel that particular sting on occasion here in the South. Reverend White, it seems, is the norm and not the exception among the general black population. That aside, I've heard extremely derogatory comments levied toward other races from all stripes. Koreans hate black people. Black people hate white people. Brown people are "La Raza", and don't like black people. Blacks hate Arabs. Arabs hate Jews. Etc...

So, to point, I'm tired of the self-flagellation white people seem to think is acceptable. It's not. I don't like it. It's offensive.

Did Tom Leher have it right?

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand.
You can tolerate him if you try.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!

[_Coach T]

Shocking. I agree with Antishock. What happened to the Japanese at Topaz was a tragedy, but needs to be put into context of the times. This in no way excuses what happened. Have you ever noticed, however, that the Japanese-American population of Utah does not seem to dwell on what happened there almost 70 years ago. There were many of these folks that stayed in the Utah area (becoming some of the best vegetable farmers in the valley) and their descendants live here today (Yo! Jeff Takenaka). Also, the first concentration camps were an English institution. Read about them during the Boer Wars. It's said that Hitler et al drew their inspiration for Buchenwald and Aushwitz from the English occupation of South Africa.

[_Chap]

Shocking. I agree with Antishock. What happened to the Japanese at Topaz was a tragedy, but needs to be put into context of the times. This in no way excuses what happened. Have you ever noticed, however, that the Japanese-American population of Utah does not seem to dwell on what happened there almost 70 years ago. There were many of these folks that stayed in the Utah area (becoming some of the best vegetable farmers in the valley) and their descendants live here today (Yo! Jeff Takenaka). Also, the first concentration camps were an English institution. Read about them during the Boer Wars. It's said that Hitler et al drew their inspiration for Buchenwald and Aushwitz from the English occupation of South Africa.

British 'concentration camps' during the Boer War were designed to do specifically what their name implies: to 'concentrate' the population of women and children displaced from the farms of ethnically Dutch white settlers (Boers, or Afrikaners) who were engaged in guerrilla war.

As part of a policy to deny food and support to the Boer guerrillas, the British army burned their farms, leaving the women and children with no place to go. The camps were designed to hold and control the displaced persons resulting from this policy. Conditions in the camps were not healthy, and many inmates died. But there are few historians today who think that these camps were actually intended specifically to kill Boers.

See for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

When Hitler's regime first described the camps it set up as 'concentration camps', it seems likely that this was intended to convey that, like the South African example. they were merely holding facilities for detained persons.

Only later did some of these camps become extermination factories for Jews and other minorities, in which the useless were killed on arrival and the rest were worked to death. This was Hitler's 'Final Solution to the Jewish Problem'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

It is somewhat misleading to reflect back this terrible and unprecedented purpose on all previous (and indeed later) 'concentration camps' so called.

(edited once for typos)

[_moksha]

From the Wikipedia:

Notable Topaz internees
Goro Suzuki, the Oakland-born entertainer remembered by millions under his stage name, Jack Soo, star of the original stage and movie productions of Flower Drum Song and remembered for his role as Detective Nick Yemana on the 1970's sitcom Barney Miller. Suzuki was a favorite performer at Topaz gatherings.
Henry and Rose Tani, parents of NASA astronaut Daniel Tani. Henry, a former head of the San Francisco and St. Louis chapters of the Japanese American Citizens League

[_beastie]

I'm not sure why white people are always held up as examples of racism. I think we do a better job of combatting racism within our own race than other races do. One thing that has consistently surprised me is the overt racism of black people toward other races, and toward white people in particular. I feel that particular sting on occasion here in the South. Reverend White, it seems, is the norm and not the exception among the general black population. That aside, I've heard extremely derogatory comments levied toward other races from all stripes. Koreans hate black people. Black people hate white people. Brown people are "La Raza", and don't like black people. Blacks hate Arabs. Arabs hate Jews. Etc...

So, to point, I'm tired of the self-flagellation white people seem to think is acceptable. It's not. I don't like it. It's offensive.

I didn't mean to imply that only white people are racist. Any group can develop racism. But I don't agree that "we do a better job combating racism within our own race than other races do". In fact, this example just came to my mind because of an incident that happened at my boyfriend's place of work. He's in a management position at a factory that employs people who tend to be uneducated and are poorly paid. They struggle in life. Despite all being in the same boat, racism is still displayed within this poor group. This past week, a white worker burned a CD full of racist songs and jokes, and passed them out to other white workers, with the caution not to play it in front of black people. That's why it's so fresh in my mind, and came to me as an example.

[_Droopy]

Read about them during the Boer Wars. It's said that Hitler et al drew their inspiration for Buchenwald and Aushwitz from the English occupation of South Africa.

As sad as the Boer War situation was, Hitler did not draw his inspiration for the mechanized, efficient, genocidal death of millions from the British, but from the Gulag system of the U.S.S.R.

Conditions in American POW camps during the civil war could be abysmal as well, but Hitler did not need them, or the Boer War camps, as models for his own. Eichmann and his assistants were quite able to come up with their own version quite on their own. The Final Solution required them, and the Soviet Gulag system, already long in place, was the major inspirations.