The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418
"The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, ...but this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of spiritual valiance of those concerned in their First Estate [the pre-existence]."
Thanks Infymus,
And to think we trusted blacks to fight against the likes of Hitler, who by the way, was apparently more valiant than any black man ever was.
Stalin?
Polpot?
BC
"death on the spot.." was said by Brigham Young. It's ok though. He said it when he was the Mormon Lord's mouthpeice as prophet, seer and revelator - so it's not doctrine.
Infymus wrote:According to the Mormon Cult owned Deseret News:
“As a longtime ambassador of sorts for the church, Gray has worked tirelessly to explain his faith and to dispel the continuing folklore about the "premortal valiancy" of black Latter-day Saints to those who still question the reason for the priesthood ban or who hang on to discredited LDS folklore about its origin.”
It certainly was more than "folklore." Here is an excerpt from the August 1949 First Presidency statement on the matter:
The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.
(Emphasis mine).
Clearly the bolded portions are alluding to blacks' 'less than valiant' conduct in the premortal existence.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
KimberlyAnn wrote:What's the point of prophets anyway?
If each new prophet Trump's the dead ones, and doctrine shifts constantly, and no one can seem to agree on when Mormon prophets speak as a men or not, and the past many prophets haven't really prophesied anything...then what's the point of having one?
KA
Exactly! I choose not to follow the current prophet, I want to follow the next prophet. The next prophet will be able to recognize the myths and traditions that the current prophet couldn't separate from actual revelation. The current prophet and his predecessors all cannot tell the difference between revelation and just plain old bad ideas.
So I am holding out for the next guy, he seems to be the only one that knows what is going on. Unfortunately, like tomorrow, it is always a day away.
KimberlyAnn wrote:What's the point of prophets anyway?
If each new prophet Trump's the dead ones, and doctrine shifts constantly, and no one can seem to agree on when Mormon prophets speak as a men or not, and the past many prophets haven't really prophesied anything...then what's the point of having one?
KA
Exactly! I choose not to follow the current prophet, I want to follow the next prophet. The next prophet will be able to recognize the myths and traditions that the current prophet couldn't separate from actual revelation. The current prophet and his predecessors all cannot tell the difference between revelation and just plain old bad ideas.
So I am holding out for the next guy, he seems to be the only one that knows what is going on. Unfortunately, like tomorrow, it is always a day away.
Why wait? Get revelation now.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
John Larsen wrote:Exactly! I choose not to follow the current prophet, I want to follow the next prophet. The next prophet will be able to recognize the myths and traditions that the current prophet couldn't separate from actual revelation. The current prophet and his predecessors all cannot tell the difference between revelation and just plain old bad ideas.
So I am holding out for the next guy, he seems to be the only one that knows what is going on. Unfortunately, like tomorrow, it is always a day away.
If I were buying crazy, I'd get me one of those too.