Did Joseph Smith violate the 1833 anti bigamy law?

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Did Joseph Smith violate the 1833 anti bigamy law?

 
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Re: Did Joseph Smith violate the 1833 anti bigamy law?

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Scottie wrote:
If any person or persons within this State, being married, or who shall hereafter marry, do at any time marry any person or persons, the former husband or wife being alive, the person so offending shall, on conviction thereof, be punished by a fine, not exceeding one thousand dollars, and imprisoned in the penitentiary, not exceeding two years.
It shall not be necessary to prove either of the said marriages by the register or certificate thereof, or other record evidence; but the same may be proved by such evidence as is admissible to prove a marriage in other cases, and when such second marriage shall have taken place without this state, cohabitation in this state after such second marriage shall be deemed the commission of the crime of bigamy, and the trial in such case may take place in the county where such cohabitation shall have occurred.


I wonder...is this enough to make Joseph Smith marriages legal? His wives did not co-habit with him.


Ummm, actually he did cohabit with some for a while! He managed to have the Partridge sisters living in the family home for several months before Emma lost the plot.


http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/2021- ... tridge.htm
_Danna

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collegeterrace wrote:Perhaps this is true, especially since Fanny was tossed down the stairs by the jealous Emma!

Not to be a Knowall (Just finished Mormon Enigma a wee while ago), but I think Eliza Snow Was the one rumored to have been turfed down the stairs by Emma. She also cohabited with Joseph Smith & got caught canoodling by Emma; as the story goes.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/15-ElizaRSnow.htm

Then also, Joseph Smith married both young Lawrence sisters while the were under his guardian ship and residing With him: Technically his foster daughters.

From Mormon Enigma I understand Joseph Smith had Emma and his 4 child brides under his roof at the same time.
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Re: Did Joseph Smith violate the 1833 anti bigamy law?

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Danna wrote:
collegeterrace wrote:Perhaps this is true, especially since Fanny was tossed down the stairs by the jealous Emma!

Not to be a Knowall (Just finished Mormon Enigma a wee while ago), but I think Eliza Snow Was the one rumored to have been turfed down the stairs by Emma. She also cohabited with Joseph Smith & got caught canoodling by Emma; as the story goes.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/15-ElizaRSnow.htm

Then also, Joseph Smith married both young Lawrence sisters while the were under his guardian ship and residing With him: Technically his foster daughters.

From Mormon Enigma I understand Joseph Smith had Emma and his 4 child brides under his roof at the same time.


Thanks for this update, Danna! I didn't know this.

It still amazes me how much I have to learn.
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Re: Did Joseph Smith violate the 1833 anti bigamy law?

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Hi all Here,

The following bit of information is about the 'Marriages' of Maria and Sarah Lawrence to Joseph Smith, from the Web Site of http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org:

In the summer of 1842 rumors circulated in Nauvoo regarding Joseph Smith’s polygamy. Joseph published a statement in his own defense: “We are charged with advocating a plurality of wives...now this is as false as the many other ridiculous charges which are brought against us. No sect has a great reverence for the laws of matrimony...we practice what we preach.” Several of Joseph’s close associates also published a proclamation that Joseph “is a good, moral, virtuous...man [and bore] testimony of the iniquity of those who had [made false statements about] Pres. J Smith’s character”. One of those defending Joseph was William Law, Joseph’s counselor in the First Presidency. William had been a family friend of the Lawrence’s in Canada. He was unaware of Joseph’s polygamy, or that Joseph had just married his sixteenth wife, Sarah Ann Whitney.

In the spring of 1843, Joseph married Sarah and Maria. A friend of Maria’s in Nauvoo recalls, “...[Maria] suffered her doubts, her fears, her uncertainty as to whether she was acting right or wrong, for she had a conscience and wanted to be right”, and also remembers Maria saying: “...if there was any truth in Mormonism she would be saved for...My yoke has not been easy nor my burden light.”

By October 1843, William Law became aware that Joseph was indeed practicing polygamy. He didn’t agree with the doctrine, or its secret practice, and tried to get Joseph to abandon it. William, “with his arms around the neck of the Prophet...[and] tears streaming down his face...pleaded with him to withdraw the doctrine of plural marriage.” Joseph said he couldn’t, and released William from the First Presidency. Finally in late spring 1844, William resolved to take Joseph’s polygamy public. As polygamy was against the law, William filed a lawsuit against Joseph for living “in an open state of adultery” with Maria Lawrence.



Here is the Link to this Whole Article, To this Web Site Page:
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/2425- ... wrence.htm
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
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Here is some more information about the 'Marriages' of Maria and Sarah Lawrence to Joseph Smith, From a Blog Web Site Page:


Todd Compton's In Sacred Loneliness describes it this way:


The marriage to the Lawrence sisters became public knowledge when William Law, Joseph's second counselor in the First Presidency, became alienated from the prophet......On May 23 he filed suit against the Mormon leader in Hancock County Circuit Court, at Carthage, charging that Smith had been living with Maria Lawrence 'in an open state of adultery' from October 12, 1843, to the day of the suit. In response, Smith flatly denied polygamy in a speech delivered on May 26:
'[The charges against me are false].....What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.....[I can prove them all perjurers.]' As polygamy was illegal under US law, Smith had little choice but to repudiate the practice.
(In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, pp. 476-477.)

From the FARMS Review of Compton:

The Lawrence sisters continued to live in the Mansion House after the Partridge sisters moved to other Nauvoo homes. In Sacred Loneliness mentions several reliable documents indicating that Emma approved and was present when Maria and Sarah Lawrence were sealed to Joseph Smith (see pp. 743–44). So the author's tentative conclusion is puzzling: "It is entirely possible that she gave her permission for these marriages, as Emily asserts" (p. 475). The Lawrence family was converted in Canada and moved to Illinois before the father died, after which time Joseph Smith was appointed guardian of the children who had not reached legal majority. The Prophet managed the whole estate under court supervision. Ex-Mormon William Law gave exaggerated figures in later accusing Joseph Smith of mismanagement



Here is The Link To This Blog Web Site Page:
http://jacobprimo.blogspot.com/2007/10/ ... -teen.html
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Here is the Part of that FARMS Review that Blog Web Site Page was Referring to:

The Partridge and Lawrence Sisters

Emma was at the peak of resentment against plural marriage in July and August of 1843, demanding about this time that Emily and Eliza Partridge leave the Mansion House, though she had earlier given permission for their marriages. From Emma's viewpoint, there were several problems, including the proximity of young wives in the family residence that doubled as a hotel. Relying on Emily's candid memoirs, Compton tells how the Partridge sisters were evicted and resettled elsewhere in Nauvoo. And as he suggests, the Clayton journal of 16 August indicates that Emma threatened divorce, which forced Joseph to agree to these sisters leaving the household (see p. 411). In Sacred Loneliness gives an ambiguous picture of what this meant to the Prophet, first saying that "Joseph seems to have agreed to separate from his two young wives" (p. 410). This fits Emily's understanding, if it means they were to end a marriage for time in favor of one for eternity. She says that Emma "wanted us immediately divorced . . . but we thought different. We looked upon the covenants we had made as sacred."21 Emily's statements are informative and introspective, and she always treated her sealing to Joseph Smith as eternally binding (see p. 733). However, In Sacred Loneliness further concludes that Joseph "allowed the marriages to lapse" (p. 432). The author explains that Joseph shook hands with the sisters, granting that "the marriage is over" (p. 411). That statement, however, is doctrinally incorrect because nothing says the priesthood sealing was canceled.

The author reasons from Emily's "Autobiography," which tells how Emma confronted Joseph and these sisters: "She insisted that we should promise to break our covenants, that we had made before God. Joseph asked her if we made her the promises she required, if she would cease to trouble us, and not persist in our marrying some one else. She made the promise. Joseph came to us and shook hands with us, and the understanding was that all was ended between us" (quoted on p. 410). So the earthly marriage was suspended, but nothing was said or done to terminate the eternal sealing that had also taken place. Joseph was apparently protecting that—otherwise why would he ask Emma not to insist on the sisters "marrying some one else."

Joseph's intention in these conflicts is given in the 16 August 1843 Clayton journal entry, quoted and paraphrased by Compton (see pp. 411, 732), as the secretary reported the Prophet's frank conversation. Since Emma was unyielding, "he had to tell her he would relinquish all for her sake. She said she would give him E[mily] and E[liza] P[artridge], but he knew if he took them she would pitch on him and obtain a divorce and leave him. He, however, told me he should not relinquish anything."22 One could read this as ambivalence on the part of Joseph Smith, but he was a highly decisive person. He sincerely negotiated to keep Emma, for after her fierce rejection of the polygamy revelation of 12 July 1843, Clayton tells how they spent the next morning in expressing their feelings and working out "an agreement they had mutually entered into." In fact, Joseph showed his willingness to "relinquish all" for Emma, including his earthly relationship with the Partridge sisters. But as just discussed, he also asked Emma not to insist that they marry someone else. This furnishes the clue to consistency in the 16 August Clayton journal entry, ending with his intention, "he should not relinquish anything." This would be true for the life to come, since the sealings for eternity were still in force.

The Lawrence sisters continued to live in the Mansion House after the Partridge sisters moved to other Nauvoo homes. In Sacred Loneliness mentions several reliable documents indicating that Emma approved and was present when Maria and Sarah Lawrence were sealed to Joseph Smith (see pp. 743—44). So the author's tentative conclusion is puzzling: "It is entirely possible that she gave her permission for these marriages, as Emily asserts" (p. 475). The Lawrence family was converted in Canada and moved to Illinois before the father died, after which time Joseph Smith was appointed guardian of the children who had not reached legal majority. The Prophet managed the whole estate under court supervision. Ex-Mormon William Law gave exaggerated figures in later accusing Joseph Smith of mismanagement. However, author Compton recognizes that Gordon Madsen discovered new documents (see p. 475) and summarizes part of Madsen's 1996 Mormon History Association paper (see pp. 742-43). Madsen, a senior attorney and meticulous historian, gave expert interpretations on the meaning of the entries preserved in the Illinois probate records and in existing Joseph Smith account books. Compton accepts these new insights in his notes, but straddles the fence by using William Law's incorrect version in the chapter that weaves the Lawrence estate in and out of the narrative.

In Sacred Loneliness quotes Law's interview on the subject, as printed in 1887 in the Salt Lake Daily Tribune (see pp. 742—43). Compton says the interview "contains some factual errors," undervaluing Madsen's paper, which showed that most of what Law said about the estate itself was incorrect. Law claimed that its assets were worth $8,000, and that Joseph charged $3,000 for boarding Maria and Sarah Lawrence (quoted on pp. 742—43). Compton correctly rounds off the actual inventory of assets, as recovered by Madsen in court records: "The inheritance was $3,831.54 . . . in a farm in Lima ($l,000) and promissory notes ($3,000)" (p. 743). However, Compton publicizes Law's story that in 1845 Joseph's estate "still owed the young women $5,000" (p. 478). Compton adds: "While this is too large a figure, there was apparently money due them" (p. 478). However, Madsen's paper quoted the will, under which Maria and Sarah would share equal parts of the estate with several siblings, but the distribution was not due during the life of their widowed mother, who was entitled to her share of annual interest on the undivided assets. Compton does not report other important findings of Madsen. Between 1841 and early 1844, Joseph Smith charged nothing for boarding Maria and Sarah, nor did he bill the estate for management fees.



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FARMS Review: Volume - 10, Issue - 2:
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