Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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_Kishkumen
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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MrStakhanovite wrote:I was thanking you for this:

Kishkumen wrote:Yes, the longer I have been inactive and non-believing, the more I sympathize with Stak's view. He's one wise dude.


Oh, I thought you were scolding me for yet another Kishkumen derail.

I am getting pretty shameless about it.
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_madeleine
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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I can think of two people who had it together, understanding the meaning that work has and the value of labor: Dorothy Day and Cesar Chavez, oh, and Madeleine Debrel. :)

"By the common good is meant the sum total of those conditions of social life which allow people as groups and as individuals to reach their proper fulfillment"

Work and labor, including intellectual labor, have their place in our fulfillment. But it is not the means to that end.

Peace.
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Kishkumen wrote:Still, Joseph's version is so incredibly over the top that it makes me laugh. I am surprised you take it seriously enough to get upset about it.


Nothing is as incredibly over the top as Jospeh Smith Jr's fantastic claims and I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. I am surprised that I took them seriously. But then, I was young.
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_Simon Belmont

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Deleted. I don't want to derail any further.
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_MrStakhanovite
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Simon Belmont wrote:Deleted. I don't want to derail any further.


I really don't mind Simon. Derails can be awesome.


ETA: What Tarski said was hard hitting and pulled no punches, it needs a response and it would be unjust to prevent you from offering one.
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_Simon Belmont

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Tarski wrote:Nothing is as incredibly over the top as Jospeh Smith Jr's fantastic claims and I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. I am surprised that I took them seriously. But then, I was young.


I can think of some other people who've made fantastic claims: Einstein, Galileo, Hawking, Darwin, Newton, and hundreds of others.
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_Doctor Scratch
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Simon Belmont wrote:
Tarski wrote:Nothing is as incredibly over the top as Jospeh Smith Jr's fantastic claims and I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. I am surprised that I took them seriously. But then, I was young.


I can think of some other people who've made fantastic claims: Einstein, Galileo, Hawking, Darwin, Newton, and hundreds of others.


Joseph Smith was a scientist, in your view, Simon?
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_Kishkumen
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Joseph Smith was a scientist, in your view, Simon?


I am sure that to Simon he is.
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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Tarski wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:Still, Joseph's version is so incredibly over the top that it makes me laugh. I am surprised you take it seriously enough to get upset about it.


Nothing is as incredibly over the top as Jospeh Smith Jr's fantastic claims and I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. I am surprised that I took them seriously. But then, I was young.

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Re: Why I'm not a Mormon: Work is for distraction and not glory

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Simon Belmont wrote:
Tarski wrote:Nothing is as incredibly over the top as Jospeh Smith Jr's fantastic claims and I am surprised anyone takes them seriously. I am surprised that I took them seriously. But then, I was young.


I can think of some other people who've made fantastic claims: Einstein, Galileo, Hawking, Darwin, Newton, and hundreds of others.

You do understand that the guys you listed actually backed up their claims, right?

Oh, that pesky scientific evidence thing again, huh?
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