GR33N wrote:I agree with the you, the pioneers of yesterday believe as do the current members that the restored gospel is true. As for what is defined as the church ie: members, buildings, systems, administration etc. that's not the gospel. We are talking about whether or not the pioneers would recognize the church.
They might believe that the gospel is true, but I suspect they wouldn't recognize today's gospel. It's a given that they wouldn't recognize the church.
GR33N wrote:I agree with the you, the pioneers of yesterday believe as do the current members that the restored gospel is true. As for what is defined as the church ie: members, buildings, systems, administration etc. that's not the gospel. We are talking about whether or not the pioneers would recognize the church.
They might believe that the gospel is true, but I suspect they wouldn't recognize today's gospel. It's a given that they wouldn't recognize the church.
Oh I think they would. Unfortunately for defenders here it would be the FLDS. They have kept to the church of the 1800's quite well.
Things I think that the early church members would be surprised at. (In no particular order.)
1. We are still here waiting for the second coming. 2. Very little increase in the scriptural cannon. 3. Repetitive incredibly long strictly structured boring meetings. 4. The wealth of the church. 5. The lack of growth of the church in relation to the overall population. 6. The lack of theological discourse at conference. 7. City Creek Mall. 8. The temple ceremony changes. 9. The first vision. 10. Spiritual experiences that are too sacred to talk about. 11. Our concept of Zion.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Fence Sitter wrote:Things I think that the early church members would be surprised at. (In no particular order.)
GAs with million dollar estates built with tithes.
Oh wait. Nevermind. That's exactly what Brigham did so it must be a time-honored tradition.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
moksha wrote:I think these pioneers would want to know what's up with all the white shirts and why everyone was acting so solemn.
We have no Golden. It's such a pity.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.