the sin of alcohol. Where did it come from.

[_jon]

The idea of prophetic perfection is a sectarian notion and is false. It mostly comes from not having interacted with prophets. Prophets are working out their salvation with fear and trembling along with those they lead.

This is good education, thanks Nehor.

I guess what you are suggesting is that the call to 'Follow the Prophet' is more about doing what he 'says' rather than what he 'does'.

Hmmm, that sounds a tad hypocritical don't you think?

[_The Nehor]

This is good education, thanks Nehor.

If you learned the lessons maybe. You won't so it's pointless.

I guess what you are suggesting is that the call to 'Follow the Prophet' is more about doing what he 'says' rather than what he 'does'.

I will now quote the Savior: "Be ye therefore perfect" I support this teaching and echo it therefore I am a hypocrite. Every Christian except Christ is. I don't claim the gospel came from me. I admit I am imperfect in living it. Does this disqualify me from teaching it?

The charge of hypocrisy is pointless. The Savior used it only against those who didn't try.

Hmmm, that sounds a tad hypocritical don't you think?

Probably but the charge of hypocrisy is thrown around so much I ignore it now. It's use in discussions here translates something like:

(In whiny voice) "You're not perfect so I win."

If you expect perfect prophets then look elsewhere. I do not discount the words of everyone I meet who doesn't live up to their highest ideals.

The only people who can live up to their highest ideals have very low ideals and aren't worth listening to in any case.

[_jon]

So Nehor, when exactly did it change from a non-commandment to a commandment?

[_dogmatic]

So no rebuttal? A stupid and transparent condescending dodge is all you have? Okay, it that is the best you can do.

Rebuttal of what? You said the only way we can know it's true is by the holy spirit. You can't argue in the subjective, it goes no where but "my holy spirit says your holy spirit is a lie"

The fact that god thinks of wine as a good and precious part if his creation needs no argument it's back to front in the Bible perscribed, promised, exaulted, use in ceremony and so so on.

You say that is a law "just for the LDS" but what are the LDS: the most sure church, sure gospel, sure prophet. And the only sure way to return to be with the father. So when you say "for the LDS" you should better have said, a law for anyone that wants the best of what god has to offer. CK etc..

Like I said I can't argue with your personal feelings and long walks on the beach with the holy spirit and I certainly can't argue with your dead prophets personal subjective feelings. but I can say that anyone that calls what God has called "good", "evil" then they are on dangerous ground. Also, anyone who would dare add something to salvation by Christ alone, is also Walking a crooked line.

[_dogmatic]

If you are looking to score rhetorical points and think this jackassery is accomplishing this then please continue to humiliate yourself by pretending to be stupid. One day it will stop being an act

I guess what I would really like to know before we continue our debat is, do you love me. I mean, do you really love me.

[_The Nehor]

So Nehor, when exactly did it change from a non-commandment to a commandment?

There is this neat new thing called an "internet search"

[_The Nehor]

So no rebuttal? A stupid and transparent condescending dodge is all you have? Okay, it that is the best you can do.

Rebuttal of what? You said the only way we can know it's true is by the holy spirit. You can't argue in the subjective, it goes no where but "my holy spirit says your holy spirit is a lie"

I pointed out LDS doctrine. Saying that's stupid doesn't accomplish anything. I'm not expecting you to rebut the Holy Ghost.

The fact that god thinks of wine as a good and precious part if his creation needs no argument it's back to front in the Bible perscribed, promised, exaulted, use in ceremony and so so on.

And also warned against. Drunkenness gets a bad rap in the Bible.

You say that is a law "just for the LDS" but what are the LDS: the most sure church, sure gospel, sure prophet. And the only sure way to return to be with the father. So when you say "for the LDS" you should better have said, a law for anyone that wants the best of what god has to offer. CK etc..

Yes, at least at the present moment.

Like I said I can't argue with your personal feelings and long walks on the beach with the holy spirit and I certainly can't argue with your dead prophets personal subjective feelings. but I can say that anyone that calls what God has called "good", "evil" then they are on dangerous ground.

I have never called wine 'evil'.

Also, anyone who would dare add something to salvation by Christ alone, is also Walking a crooked line.

I haven't but I also take the words of our Lord Himself about salvation seriously. The sheep and goats bit divided by their works. The commands to do what He says. That makes the commands of God important.

All that being said, we are saved by Christ.

[_The Nehor]

I guess what I would really like to know before we continue our debat is, do you love me. I mean, do you really love me.

Wait, what?