Gadianton wrote:Do "Germans" start up message boards and blogs complaining about their long history of persecution as "Germans" in order to demonize their debate opponents? If they do, then they might need to be reminded about certain things.
That's funny, Gadianton....Who are German debate opponents? What is the nature of this debate you reference?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Seriously, Buffalo, what is this whole "kill count" fixation?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Sethbag wrote:Seriously, Buffalo, what is this whole "kill count" fixation?
Not fixated. I'm just saying, when your group has exported greater net persecution than it has imported, what you're left is with is a persecution trade surplus. Ergo, persecutor, not persecuted. Econ 101.
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Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
maklelan wrote:I am indeed saying that Mormon missionaries have been killed for being Mormon. Certainly you are aware that this happens from time to time. It's quite rare among LDS missionaries as compared to those of other faiths, but it happens.
I'm genuinely curious about this. I try to pay attention to LDS missionary deaths in the news, and I've yet to see a case in the thirteen years since I began studying the church where a missionary's religion was a relevant factor in his or her death. There have been at least three murders of missionaries in that time frame (Morgan W. Young in 2006, Adele Atchley in 2002, and Jonathan Philip Barrett in 1999), but none of them have been linked to religion. Most deaths on the mission field occur due to car accidents, health issues, or other reasons that could happen to anyone.
There certainly could be cases that I've missed though, and I know little about 20th century missionary deaths.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
Jaybear wrote:Are you saying that Mormon missionaries are being killed for being Mormon? Or is this hypothetical outrage your are expressing?
I am indeed saying that Mormon missionaries have been killed for being Mormon. Certainly you are aware that this happens from time to time. It's quite rare among LDS missionaries as compared to those of other faiths, but it happens.
Are we still waiting for maklelan to support this statement with something factual from the last 100 years?
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
jon wrote: Are we still waiting for maklelan to support this statement with something factual from the last 100 years?
Yes. I don't think there are any examples though. I understand why he thinks it's happening. You can get the general impression that it's happening in church. I know in my experience certain Sunday school teachers really drove home the persecution narrative. When I was a TBM I seriously thought that the LDS church was the most persecuted religion in America!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Mormons are no more persecuted than a homeowner is "persecuting" a burglar by shooting him, or cockroaches in your kitchen are being "persecuted" when you use bug spray. The deceptive cult of Joseph Smith is not entitled to claim the name of Christ Jesus or to fool people into thinking their god has anything to do with the God of the Bible. Since Mormonism is not a legitimate religion there is nothing to persecute. Early Christians were persecuted but in the name of Jesus. Mormons trying to claim similar persecution when they have experienced minor inconveniences in the name of the glass-looker Joe Smith is laughable.
Jude 4:For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.