FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Kevin Graham wrote:Seriously folks, when it is a rule written in stone that your supposed authorities are above reproach, you already lose the debate because it shows just how insecure you are in your own beliefs. As if the mere idea of John Gee lying about something would totally destroy your faith.


I can't understand why you are so shallow; you treat all your hated apologists the same. They're all liars.

I don't accept John Gee's or Will Shryver's explanations about the Book of Abraham; I don't buy into everything in FARMS Review; I don't agree with everything Dr. Peterson has written. These are only men or man-made things and are flawed.

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Edited to Add: You know, you don't deserve this comment. I take it back. You're probably doing the best you can with what you have. I would suggest that you just desist from calling everybody a liar.
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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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I can't understand why you are so shallow; you treat all your hated apologists the same. They're all liars.

I challenged you to deal with the evidence that contradicts your claim. So you respond by simply reasserting your original falsehood? And you wonder why you have no credibility?
I don't accept John Gee's or Will Shryver's explanations about the Book of Abraham; I don't buy into everything in FARMS Review

Nor would you need to in order to see deception. There are plenty of apologists who are wrong about these matters, but only a few flat out lied.
; I don't agree with everything Dr. Peterson has written. These are only men or man-made things and are flawed.

Flawed is an understatement. It certainly doesn;y fly when applied to the "lies" critics tell. FARMS and the entire apologetic enterprise is anxious to describe virtually all critics as willful deceivers.
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You see, the only difference between us is that I have the courage to say what's really on my mind, and then stand behind it. You resent me for it. You only appear to be less "mean spirited" because you do not have the conviction to stand behind your true feelings and beliefs. You're more concerned with keeping up appearances for the LDS side. But I've been on that side long enough to know that it is full of mean spirited people who justify their attitude by reminding themselves that theirs is the cause of God. Therefore, lying is perfectly OK. Smear campaigns are also OK, so long as it means fewer people falling away from Joseph Smith's Church. The end always justifies the means. Lying is not off limits the same way murder was not off limits for Nephi. It worked for John Taylor and Joseph Smith on the subject of polygamy, and so naturally there will be radical Mormons who use their example to justify their modern deceptions. John Gee and Will Schryver are clear examples, and neither you nor they are in a position to prove otherwise. You cannot deal with the evidence against them. All you can do is attack me for calling a liar a liar. Why? Because they're fellow Mormons. If they were critics, you'd have no problem with it.
You know, you don't deserve this comment. I take it back. You're probably doing the best you can with what you have. I would suggest that you just desist from calling everybody a liar.

Or else...?

There you go again... "everybody"! Dan Peterson, Russell McGregor, William Schryver do not constitute "everbody." Why is one of California's super lawyers"having trouble with the concept of "everybody"?
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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Thanks for the review, Kevin.

Don't blame you for being angry. If people lie, they should be called out on it.

Every time I think about my grandchildren being exposed to the lies of Mormonism by people who they trust and who should know better, I get a bit angry myself.

The fact that these false teachings are correlated makes them all the worse in my book. Many of my TBM children will now agree with me that the Church lies to its members, but ask me not to say anything about it to my grandchildren, even those who are 14 years old. You bet it makes me angry.

I have sent your review to those in my family who might consider buying such a piece of slick deceit.

Fortunately, the grandkids use the internet and at some point they are going to find out about all the lies and deceit, if they haven't already. I have seen this before, once someone figures out the extent to which they have been deceived by the Church, de-conversion can happen very quickly indeed.
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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Shulem wrote:Did FAIR reveal the name of the king of Egypt in Facsimile No. 3 and explain why Anubis was called a slave by his loyal followers?

Did FAIR explain how Joseph Smith was reading the writing contained in the very Facsimile he published?

Excuse me, I need to go barf.

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Well, Paul, we all now know that none of this is or ever was anything but pure pretext.

Barf away.
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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Droopy wrote:
Shulem wrote:Did FAIR reveal the name of the king of Egypt in Facsimile No. 3 and explain why Anubis was called a slave by his loyal followers?

Did FAIR explain how Joseph Smith was reading the writing contained in the very Facsimile he published?

Excuse me, I need to go barf.

Paul O



Well, Paul, we all now know that none of this is or ever was anything but pure pretext.

Barf away.


Droop,

Do you have a testimony that the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are true and correct? Or could it be that Joseph Smith deserved to have his face slapped for creating such lies?

Here, droop -- enjoy my hip-hop. I'll think of you next time I dance to it at the club and shout the name: Droopy, Droopy, Droopy -- three times.

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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Thanks Kevin. I'll try to get this posted up on the MC on Monday.
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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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I’d like to add my thanks as well.

Perhaps some generous soul will be kind enough to turn FAIR’s new DVD into a bit torrent and post it on Pirate Bay dot org. A missionary tool as potent as this needs all the exposure as it can get!

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Re: FAIR's new DVD on Book of Abraham

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Corpsegrinder wrote:...Perhaps some generous soul will be kind enough to turn FAIR’s new DVD into a bit torrent and post it on Pirate Bay dot org ...

As a gratis to active (or less active) members, ex's and antis outside of US - I think a majority compared to the total sum...
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