First Presidency Christmas Devotional . . .

[_MrStakhanovite]

Have you been to either?

Yah

[_Themis]

I think this may deserve its own thread, but I have to dash presently so no time to do it on my own.

I do not recall ever having heard this type of manipulation attempted from a member of the first presidency.

A. Show a video.
B. Declare that the people who watched it felt emotion.
C. Declare that the emotion that was most definitely felt equates to the Spirit.

I mean, it wasn't even subtle.

He didn't say, "You may have felt a warm feeling watching."

He said, "You felt an emotion while watching."

I don't know if he thinks this is being bold or something, but it left me feeling cold, not bold.

To be fair, I have had two occasions where I felt the Spirit so strongly in the room that I testified to the other person of its presence. And they agreed with me (thank goodness--you really go out there with something like that). But I have never seen it done on a scale where millions are watching and you are telling each and every person who may be watching that they felt the emotion/Spirit.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

How many millions of confused faces are there each year when the missionaries tell them the emotions they are experiencing is the HG testifying that what they are hearing is true. I remember doing it all the time, and most others did as well. Might be hard for apologists to say many missionaries or many members are just a little naïve about it when a member of the FP is saying the same thing, although he is not the first to do it, and probably wont be the last. Note that I do not consider you to be an apologist.

[_consiglieri]

How many millions of confused faces are there each year when the missionaries tell them the emotions they are experiencing is the HG testifying that what they are hearing is true. I remember doing it all the time, and most others did as well. Might be hard for apologists to say many missionaries or many members are just a little naïve about it when a member of the FP is saying the same thing, although he is not the first to do it, and probably wont be the last. Note that I do not consider you to be an apologist.

Thanks for the compliment, Themis!

You know, I sure am hoping I am recounting exactly what President Eyring said.

I think it is what he said, but it is possible I could be mistaken.

I'm sure it will all be cleaned up by the time the text hits the official reports.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri