Status of Book of Mormon Claims

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_Buffalo
_Emeritus
Posts: 12064
Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:33 pm

Re: Status of Book of Mormon Claims

Post by _Buffalo »

Brackite wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:I love the Book of Abraham, because like the Book of Mormon, modern scholarship is only proving it true.




ldsfaqs wrote: Fact is, Book of Mormon claims are only being confirmed by Science, not debunked as it should be if it's false.




You got to love Obiwan/ldsfaqs.


That's hilarious stuff. A parody of ldsfaqs would be redundant at this point.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
_tapirrider
_Emeritus
Posts: 893
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:10 am

Re: Status of Book of Mormon Claims

Post by _tapirrider »



Copper smelting and bronze production occurred before Columbus but not where apologists claim the Book of Mormon happened. Iron smelting sites for the manufacture of swords have not been found because they exist only in the fantasy world of the Book of Mormon.

Andean people discovered the process of smelting 4,000 years ago to separate the copper from the rock, as well as working with gold and silver. Archaeologists now know that many people throughout the world independently learned how to smelt. America did it without needing anyone from anywhere else in the world coming to them to teach them how.

By 400 AD the people in South America were making bronze. Andean mariners traded their metal work up and down the western coast and about 800 AD they taught the people of western Mexico how to smelt.

The Metallurgy of West Mexico: revisited and revised
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c02342770771xn01/

From Metallurgy to Bronze Age Civilization: The Synthetic Theory
http://www.ajaonline.org/sites/default/ ... llag_0.pdf

Four-thousand-year-old gold artifacts from the Lake Titicaca Basin, Southern Peru
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/13/5002.full.pdf+html

Intensive Pre-Incan Metallurgy Recorded by Lake Sediments from the Bolivian Andes
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/301/5 ... 3.abstract

Ancient West Mexican Metallurgy: South and Central American Origins and West Mexican Transformations
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 0/abstract

Cold metal work with copper in the United States region began about 7,000 years ago, in the Lake Superior basin.
http://www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html

Copper work in North America was being done even before the time of Adam and Eve. Copper smelting in South America happened before Lehi, but bronze was not made until nearly the end of the Book of Mormon stories and was not in the popular geography of Meso-America until long after the fictional stories had ended.

No smelting was done in the region of the United States. Smelting and bronze making was not done in the region of Meso-America until nearly 400 years after the gold plates were allegedly buried and the civilization of Nephites destroyed. Neither of the Book of Mormon geography theories, of the region of the United States or in Meso-America are supported with professional research journal articles about ancient American metallurgy.
_Drifting
_Emeritus
Posts: 7306
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:52 am

Re: Status of Book of Mormon Claims

Post by _Drifting »

tapirrider wrote:Andean people discovered the process of smelting 4,000 years ago to separate the copper from the rock, as well as working with gold and silver.



Don't you mean the Jaredite people?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
_Runtu
_Emeritus
Posts: 16721
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:06 am

Re: Status of Book of Mormon Claims

Post by _Runtu »

tapirrider wrote:No smelting was done in the region of the United States. Smelting and bronze making was not done in the region of Meso-America until nearly 400 years after the gold plates were allegedly buried and the civilization of Nephites destroyed. Neither of the Book of Mormon geography theories, of the region of the United States or in Meso-America are supported with professional research journal articles about ancient American metallurgy.


Thank you for this summary. The apologists' argument makes about as much sense as saying, "My neighbor in Utah has a Ford pickup, so obviously the people of Peru had pickups 400 years ago."
Last edited by cacheman on Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Runtu's Rincón

If you just talk, I find that your mouth comes out with stuff. -- Karl Pilkington
_tapirrider
_Emeritus
Posts: 893
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:10 am

Re: Status of Book of Mormon Claims

Post by _tapirrider »

Drifting wrote:
tapirrider wrote:Andean people discovered the process of smelting 4,000 years ago to separate the copper from the rock, as well as working with gold and silver.



Don't you mean the Jaredite people?


No. Jaredites are a fantasy.
Post Reply