malkie wrote:My wife seems to have got over it, but I'm not sure that I can.
This whole thing reminds me of that scene at the end of Ocean's Eleven where George Clooney's character is talking to the casino owner and asks him whether he'd give up Tess (Clooney's ex and the casino owners girlfriend) if Clooney could get his money back. And he said yes. And Tess saw him say it on closed-circuit TV from her room. After that, there was just no way she could respect him again in their relationship.
The LDS Church claims to be all about family, but that's not quite true. The LDS Church is all about the LDS Church, and then about families, if there's anything left over.
Amen to that. Mormonism destroys families by the hundreds and thousands. If we're really concerned about preserving the institution of marriage, we should be banning Mormon marriage, not gay marriage.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
malkie wrote:When I told my wife, some time ago, that I wanted to resign from the church, she immediately said: "I don't think I can stay married to you."
It wasn't quite the reaction I expected - though perhaps it should have been.
My wife seems to have got over it, but I'm not sure that I can.
It is the expectation that I would be met with a similar reaction that keeps me from expressing what I really think about Mormonism (and why) to my SignO.
Sadly the Church teaches that it is better to enter the Celestial Kingdom as a divorcee than risk a lower level of glory with an apostate spouse.
I think that you are wiser than I.
Can you point me to that teaching? I'd like to be prepared if the subject come up again.
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Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
malkie wrote:When I told my wife, some time ago, that I wanted to resign from the church, she immediately said: "I don't think I can stay married to you."
It wasn't quite the reaction I expected - though perhaps it should have been.
My wife seems to have got over it, but I'm not sure that I can.
Hey, Malkie,
I know that it hurt like hell when your wife said she didn't think she could stay married to you. Please don't blame her. The church creates this sense of panic through its teachings, and your wife was most likely reacting the only way she knew how. If anything, blame the church and celebrate the fact that your wife has come around in spite of what has been pounded into her brain.
H.
Thanks H.
I know that you're right, but Sethbag put his finger on it: it feels like a betrayal.
I expect that my my wife feels the same way, since she was looking forward to a future that we will never have, due to my loss of faith.
The accepted wisdom in my family is that I don't have much in the way of feelings (since I usually find it difficult to express what I feel, on the rare occasions when I can 'think' what it is that I 'feel' - if you know what I mean.). But yeah - it hurts.
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Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
malkie wrote:I expect that my Dear Wife feels the same way, since she was looking forward to a future that we will never have, due to my loss of faith.
Actually, all is not lost. D&C 132 makes it clear that once you are married in the Temple, providing you can avoid shedding innocent blood, no matter what other sins you commit you are still guarenteed a place in the Celestial Kingdom. Your wife's hope for an eternity together is alive and well, even if you may have a little buffeting in this life.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
There are days when I contemplate the next life... and hope I've been bad enough to never have to endure the CK.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote:There are days when I contemplate the next life... and hope I've been bad enough to never have to endure the CK.
That is a pessimistic view, Harm! :(
I think that we will be in the CK, but that it will be much different than crazy BY and others described it as being.
Yes, plural marriage will exist, only because Heavenly Father is not going to break up families who lived that law with correct intent. However, monogomous marriage will be the norm.
liz3564 wrote:Yes, plural marriage will exist, only because Heavenly Father is not going to break up families who lived that law with correct intent. However, monogomous marriage will be the norm.
Unless, of course, the married couple gets tired of each other after 1,000 years.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
liz3564 wrote:Yes, plural marriage will exist, only because Heavenly Father is not going to break up families who lived that law with correct intent. However, monogomous marriage will be the norm.
Unless, of course, the married couple gets tired of each other after 1,000 years.
Will you be tired of your bride in 1000 years? By the way you talk about your relationship with her, I seriously doubt it. :-)
liz3564 wrote:Will you be tired of your bride in 1000 years? By the way you talk about your relationship with her, I seriously doubt it. :-)
She and I have discussed this and we are pretty sure 1,000 years is doable. 2,000? We don't know. 10,000? That is a stretch. 100,000? Hmmmm.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)