Is Professor Bott Retiring or Was He Fired?

[_lulu]

No, but the Church's are. Official publication and such.

You mean Official Publications like this?

LDS church: “It is not known precisely why . . . this restriction [on the ordination of African-American men] began . . .”

bcspace: the ban was because of disobedience

[_Madison54]

This whole business of trying to deny all their doctrine is highly amusing.

In the end it just shows that not a single man in Mormonism is inspired nor lead by any kind of Deity. Every single prophet can be overridden by the next one. Maybe the Mormon Jesus needs to go dig up the urim thummim he took back - because he can't see s*** for the future. He keeps giving his cronies the wrong information and he has to keep correcting himself year after year.

Mormonism: We stand for nothing but pay your tithing anyway.

Love this! And, it's so true.

This last weekend (just out of curiosity), I asked my Dad what he had been taught about the Priesthood ban (he's the same generation as Bott and he has also served as a Bishop and a SP). He responded with nearly a word for word same answer as what Bott stated in his interview (minus the story about the car keys).

[_bcspace]

No, but the Church's are. Official publication and such.

You mean Official Publications like this?

(Is there a reason why you didn't quote it in full? And perhaps the sentence before?
lol)

No. This.....

Moses 5:36–39. Cain Was Cursed

Part of the curse Cain received for killing Abel was that the ground would no longer “yield unto [Cain] her strength,” and that he would be a “fugitive and a vagabond” (Moses 5:37). A fugitive is a person who is running from the law, and a vagabond is someone who has no home. Cain was also driven out “from the face of the Lord” (Moses 5:39). The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “The power, glory and blessings of the Priesthood could not continue with those who received ordination only as their righteousness continued; for Cain also being authorized to offer sacrifice, but not offering it in righteousness, was cursed. It signifies, then, that the ordinances must be kept in the very way God has appointed; otherwise their Priesthood will prove a cursing instead of a blessing” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 169)

http://www.LDS.org/manual/the-pearl-of-great-price-student-manual/the-book-of-moses?lang=eng&query=cain+cursed+priesthood

And this:

From the dispensation of Adam until the dispensation of the fulness of times, there has been a group of people who have not been allowed to hold the priesthood of God. The scriptural basis for this policy is Abraham 1:21–27 . The full reason for the denial has been kept hidden by the Lord, and one is left to assume that He will make it known in His own due time.

http://institute.LDS.org/manuals/doctrine-and-covenants-institute-student-manual/dc-in-131-od2.asp

Which of course doesn't conflict with the Church statement you referred to.

[_lulu]

Which of course doesn't conflict with the Church statement you referred to.

It's a binary Mr. Computer Scientist, a binary. Either there was a reason or there was not a reason. Both cannot be true.

[_bcspace]

It's a binary Mr. Computer Scientist, a binary. Either there was a reason or there was not a reason. Both cannot be true.

I suppose it takes a computer scientist to note that it's not binary at all. First of all, notice the use of "we don't know precisely" That alone takes it out of the realm of binary. Second, I referred you to the part of the sentence you cut off and the one before it. The context is we don't know precisely why it started in the latter-day Church. Obviously, there is no revelatory statement given in LDS history. However OD 2 acknowledges Divine appointment as I've shown before.

Notice also from the publications that we don't know the full reason for the ban which was from the time of Adam. Notice again how the Church's Newsroom statement to which you cling to the exclusion of all others (showing that you have a gospel hobby here)

All this combines to show that we actually do know some things, including some reasons and operations. The Church continues to publish them and teach them in it's manuals. Hence your personal doctrine is in conflict with the Church.

It's long been a truism that Engineers and Scientists excel at English over English and other useless majors.
lol

[_bcspace]

Unless they put up a No Fishing sign, I can always find a way.....

[_kamenraider]

If he'd been a GA, they'd have said he was misquoted.

[_lulu]

It's a binary Mr. Computer Scientist, a binary. Either there was a reason or there was not a reason. Both cannot be true.

First of all, notice the use of "we don't know precisely" That alone takes it out of the realm of binary.

Well done Mr. Computer Scientist. But what took you so long to find the weasle word? It was right in front of you all along.

I got tired chasing you through multiple posts. If you were writing the church's press releases you'd never get them out during the same new cycle. At least not without divine help.

But how precise is precise and how full is full?

Precisely what were those naughty black spirits doing in the pre-mortal? Dry humping? For the full explanation, we'll have to wait until public relation conditions require it.

Until then, the faithful Mormon will just have to be content that the reasons for the church's immoral practice of discrimination based on one's genes are still foggy.

PS There is no pre-mortal and there was no Cain.