Hoops Has Turned Agnostic/Atheist

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Bond James Bond wrote:Let's agree on something for once. Atheists will accept religious art as excellent in all cases if theists will accept evolution as fact and not dispute the teaching of the same as fact to children in all schools.


How about if we call good religious art good and crappy religious crappy.

Further, let's all treat science as always open to falsification, and that a fact in science is simply a short hand way of referring to the current best explanation for empirical events.
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Molok wrote:don't try to start a fight with me Hoops.

Why not?
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The question of why human beings evolved to appreciate aesthetic is one of the great mysteries being explored in neuroscience today. There has been progress, but also much supposition. The person who can explain this easily, accurately, and comprehensively would be well on their way to wide-spread recognition and acclaim in the world of the sciences. And probably notoriety in the world of the arts.

I've linked to this before. It's long, but I think worth the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NzShMiqKgQ

Jump to minute 3:20 if you want to skip the introduction.
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Aristotle Smith wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:Let's agree on something for once. Atheists will accept religious art as excellent in all cases if theists will accept evolution as fact and not dispute the teaching of the same as fact to children in all schools.


How about if we call good religious art good and crappy religious crappy.

Further, let's all treat science as always open to falsification, and that a fact in science is simply a short hand way of referring to the current best explanation for empirical events.


I'll agree to those terms.
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Hoops wrote: And you're a scientist? Hmmm..... Telling indeed.


Telling of what - that I would seek confirmation from a third party rather than make a determination based on my "intuition" that you were just playing rhetorical games?

(Not that it matters.)
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Blixa wrote:While I don't think that art is an argument FOR god (which is sort of what your OP was implying), I do find that the human imagination is probably the closest thing to "the divine" that I recognize.

Image

(Musician in the Rain by Robert Doisneau)

by the way Robert Doisneau would be banned here because of breasts. Image See here the original...
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DrW wrote:
(Not that it matters.)

It certainly does not.
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Hoops wrote:
Molok wrote:don't try to start a fight with me Hoops.

Why not?

Oh go ahead then if it will make you feel better.
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Buffalo wrote:As to the first part, I would think that was self evident. The most intelligent species on the planet (namely, us) is clearly the most successful.


By what measure? We're not the most successful organism if you measure by population, biomass, or geographic extent.
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Molok wrote:Oh go ahead then if it will make you feel better.

It won't and that has never been my intention. I was just wondering about your challenge.
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