Simon on Mormon Stories

[_son of Ishmael]

l placed the link on MADD of Mormonstories and Simon and over there 23 pages laster

"Noel00 has been curiously quiet in this thread he started to give Southerton a stage. I wonder if the original post violated board rules about linking to anti-Mormon sites"

I did not know Mormonstories was considered anti

Anything that is not 100% pro-mormon must be anti-. Have a doubt about something? You are an anti-?

[_sock puppet]

I suspect that there are only a handful of diehards monitoring this portion of the comments section, so I'm probably going to opt out soon on the basis of the principle of marginal benefit.

In the meantime, though, I just want to say that I think it would be wonderful to live in a world, as you and all non-Mormons apparently do, where no argument ever turns out to be mistaken, no evidence ever turns out to be wrong, no seemingly solid claim ever proves unreliable, no scholar ever makes a mistake, all propositions are accepted without resistance, and there is no controversy about assertions of fact.

You're punting on a lot of linguistics, archeology, anthropology, molecular biology and evolutionary science, generated by legions of scientists - some LDS - from around the world being not just mistaken but so profoundly wrong that they somehow miss all the events recorded in the Book of Mormon. Good luck with that.

DCP got his ass handed to him on a plate and so did what all apologists do here, ran away claiming victory while doing so. I love the way he ends it because it really shows him for what he is, a lying worm. He has to know by now that the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction by now and that the Book of Abraham is another fraud. Any other option isn't even plausible.

I like the way Natuska completely undoes the mopologetic attempt to make it even possible by stating the obvious; It isn't just one discipline or a single issue, but ranges across every single issue and they aren't isolated. DCP tries to attribute a worldview that matches his own more than it matches any non-Mormon. If this is the best that the LDS Church can come up with then there really is no hope for its future.

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

Word.

Well done, Hasa.

[_sock puppet]

Here is a fact: when we die, we will know the truth whatever truth that may be.

No, not a fact. That is your hope. When you die, there will be no consciousness for you to know anything.

[_sock puppet]

No one in the Church talkes the apologists seriously, nor should they. Mormonism is about speaking with God and doing what God tells you to do. I know those outside the Church have their issues with Deutero-Isaiah, genetics markers, a distinct lack of horses in Mesoamerica and apologists engage them on those grounds. But, the apologists are really mistaken to do so. If they were truly interested in the answers, they would speak with God about it and find out the truth.

No Tobin!!! Mormonism is about listening to the Prophets and other GA's and doing what they say. Mormons have a relationship with men. Why can't the run-of-the-mill saint have a personal relationship with Jesus?

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
...
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Yeah! Come on!

F*** you, I won't do what you tell me
F*** you, I won't do what you tell me

[Guest]

Yes, go speak with God yourself. That should clear up your many questions.

Tobin, You've been had!!!

The U of U Student Stake President was mocking me before I had my records removed, trying to get people to join him. I didn't know anything about their stupid temple laws at that point in time, I was just the walking contradiction. Meanwhile I was gouging my brain out trying to justify Mormonism, the faith I was born into. Searching for acceptance and twisting the words of God to suite my personal desires.

My face resembles the Stupid Mormon Jesus Painting, my father had to rub it in my face by saying he removed the painting from our fireplace because a kid in the family was pointing to it saying my name. The child was just learning to speak.

To top that off, when push came to shove, President Packer acknowledged me and laughed. By laughing he also acknowledged the fact people had to suffer great losses so Mormonism(LIES)might prevail. Lies are the only words that pass Mormon lips.

[_son of Ishmael]

Here is a fact: when we die, we will know the truth whatever truth that may be.

No, not a fact. That is your hope. When you die, there will be no consciousness for you to know anything.

Yep. No going "OOPS I was wrong! There is no life after death." That is the one down side to athieism, no post-death gloating

[Guest]

I listened to it last night - great interview! It must feel good for Mr. Southerton to have his observations continue to be borne out as the science advances.

He mentioned several times that he doesn't know why he should feel obliged to take anything the apologists say seriously. They don't speak for the church, and nothing they say has any weight of authority, and as he pointed out with the Uchtdorf quote, they're quite often in conflict with LDS leaders.

[_Buffalo]

Yep. No going "OOPS I was wrong! There is no life after death." That is the one down side to athieism, no post-death gloating

That's why we have to get in all our gloating now, while we can.

[_hatersinmyward]

He mentioned several times that he doesn't know why he should feel obliged to take anything the apologists say seriously. They don't speak for the church, and nothing they say has any weight of authority, and as he pointed out with the Uchtdorf quote, they're quite often in conflict with LDS leaders.

Uchtdorf could hold help a yellow balloon in a group of 10 LDS members and say the balloon is red. Later if any of those were to tell their associates about Uchtdorf's claims, Uchtdorf would then be able to cast those out as liars if he desired. That's all Mormonism is, lies upon lies and idiots/vulnerable are the only ones that take anything the GAs say to heart.