Bob Crockett defends Bradford

[_Chap]

This is a vile place. The last thing I need is your support.

Signing off.

We mustn't get our hopes up, though ...

by the way I also support Bob Crockett. I am thinking of writing to lots of people at BYU using my in real life persona to say how much I admire his principled stand.

(NB I only said I was thinking about it ...)

[_lulu]

This is a vile place. The last thing I need is your support.

Signing off.

Just can't stay away from a vile place?

[_Drifting]

I guess YB forgot to log out when he signed off half an hour ago...

[_Fence Sitter]

The latest, and perhaps best, response from Bot to Whyme on MAD in Hamblin,s thread "My Assesment of the Situation at the Maxwell Institute.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/58099-my-assessment-of-the-situation-at-the-maxwell-institute/page__st__520 on page 27 post #535

From Whyme:

View Postwhy me, on 25 June 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:
As someone who actively posts on the other board, I was trying to inform people here that it seems that the leak has been serious for a couple of years. What has happened to Dan is a betrayal of trust by people who claim to be his friends. It is no different than having an informer reporting his every word while at the same time this informer acts like a good friend, someone who shares a burger or two on the 4th of July. Terrible.

Bob's response.

What's worse? An anonymous poster who demands church disciplinary action against Bro. Bradford, or somebody on the MI board who leaked an email to Scratch?

Somehow I think that in the final equation, God will hold to account the anonymous libeler first. Time for all good members of the Church to bring that libel to an end -- that his temple recommend ought to be revoked, that he is an incompetent manager, and so forth and so on.

Time to get a life and acknowledge the realities here. BYU has spoken. BYU hasn't done this as a knee-jerk thing. BYU doesn't want Dr. Peterson's brand of apologetics in one of its university-sponsored publications. BYU has issued a press release stating that a different direction was needed, which is about as much of an endorsement as you'll get of Bro. Bradford.

Now, I happen to generally like and support Dr. Peterson's brand of apologetics. I imagine I gave financial support to it last year at a level more than 99% of the Bradford-maligners here. But when I read Dr. Bradford's letter and BYU's press release, along with the revisions to the MI website, the handwriting was not only on the wall but it had been canonized. I am willing to see reason, the change of the seasons and the wisdom of the thing.

What Hamblin has done with his blog and his entries has done more to hurt his own personal reputation and that of Dr. Peterson's than possibly influence anything BYU will ever do to rectify any perceived wrong.

What my hero Dr. Peterson has done by savaging the gates of the temple on his way out has done a terrible injustice to his own personal reputation. That is not the way to graciously leave one's assignment at a university, or employment for that matter. I suppose it is done and people do it, but you young apologists don't ever do that to your employer. There just isn't any possible way that such a letter will get BYU to re-think what it has done. Anybody familiar with the situation and reading the correspondence can see that this train wreck has long been a-coming.

Now, as to the BYU supposed wrongs here, let me suggest that the leaking of the correspondence to Senor Scratch was done by somebody known to Hamblin and Peterson, an MI board member. I think it cowardly, to be sure. No such person should be serving on MI's board. But the leak doesn't really change BYU's decision.

As to the claim that Dr. Peterson's underlings were discharged with nothing more than an email, I'm not sure we've heard from them, have we? BYU cannot possibly respond to defend itself; personnel matters are protected by privacy laws, although I have no clue as to whether Greg Smith et al. were employees. Let's hear from the discharged ones first before we burn BYU down to the ground.

Time to move on with the apologetic world and support FAIR, because that is where this is going. That is were my dollars will go.

[_lulu]

The latest, and perhaps best, response from Bot to Whyme on MAD in Hamblin,s thread "My Assesment of the Situation at the Maxwell Institute.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/58099-my-assessment-of-the-situation-at-the-maxwell-institute/page__st__520 on page 27 post #535

From Whyme:

View Postwhy me, on 25 June 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:
As someone who actively posts on the other board, I was trying to inform people here that it seems that the leak has been serious for a couple of years. What has happened to Dan is a betrayal of trust by people who claim to be his friends. It is no different than having an informer reporting his every word while at the same time this informer acts like a good friend, someone who shares a burger or two on the 4th of July. Terrible.

Bob's response.

What's worse? An anonymous poster who demands church disciplinary action against Bro. Bradford, or somebody on the MI board who leaked an email to Scratch?

Somehow I think that in the final equation, God will hold to account the anonymous libeler first. Time for all good members of the Church to bring that libel to an end -- that his temple recommend ought to be revoked, that he is an incompetent manager, and so forth and so on.

Time to get a life and acknowledge the realities here. BYU has spoken. BYU hasn't done this as a knee-jerk thing. BYU doesn't want Dr. Peterson's brand of apologetics in one of its university-sponsored publications. BYU has issued a press release stating that a different direction was needed, which is about as much of an endorsement as you'll get of Bro. Bradford.

Now, I happen to generally like and support Dr. Peterson's brand of apologetics. I imagine I gave financial support to it last year at a level more than 99% of the Bradford-maligners here. But when I read Dr. Bradford's letter and BYU's press release, along with the revisions to the MI website, the handwriting was not only on the wall but it had been canonized. I am willing to see reason, the change of the seasons and the wisdom of the thing.

What Hamblin has done with his blog and his entries has done more to hurt his own personal reputation and that of Dr. Peterson's than possibly influence anything BYU will ever do to rectify any perceived wrong.

What my hero Dr. Peterson has done by savaging the gates of the temple on his way out has done a terrible injustice to his own personal reputation. That is not the way to graciously leave one's assignment at a university, or employment for that matter. I suppose it is done and people do it, but you young apologists don't ever do that to your employer. There just isn't any possible way that such a letter will get BYU to re-think what it has done. Anybody familiar with the situation and reading the correspondence can see that this train wreck has long been a-coming.

Now, as to the BYU supposed wrongs here, let me suggest that the leaking of the correspondence to Senor Scratch was done by somebody known to Hamblin and Peterson, an MI board member. I think it cowardly, to be sure. No such person should be serving on MI's board. But the leak doesn't really change BYU's decision.

As to the claim that Dr. Peterson's underlings were discharged with nothing more than an email, I'm not sure we've heard from them, have we? BYU cannot possibly respond to defend itself; personnel matters are protected by privacy laws, although I have no clue as to whether Greg Smith et al. were employees. Let's hear from the discharged ones first before we burn BYU down to the ground.

Time to move on with the apologetic world and support FAIR, because that is where this is going. That is were my dollars will go.

The ship is starting to turn.

[_Kishkumen]

Regardless of the fact that Bob hates this board and most of us, I think we can all acknowledge the fact that he is talking sense and saying exactly what needs to be said. But, he is a professional, so this is not surprising. He is a person of enough substance, knowledge, and maturity to think strategically and of the long term prospects of healthy apologetics.

Good for you, Bob.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

This is a vile place. The last thing I need is your support.

Ever the sanctimonious windbag.