Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

[_ludwigm]

The answer is staring you in the face. The raison d'etre of Mormonism isn't as you characterize it so more men, LDS prophets in place of pastors and other clergy, can tell us what to believe, but that we should instead seek and speak with God ourselves and determine the truth for ourselves. Mormonism is a revealed religion, not a dictated religion. There is no reason to believe its claims over any other religions claims other than God reveals to you that you should. The "mistakes" of LDS prophets only highlight why it isn't a good idea to "trust in the arm of flesh", but that instead it is better to trust in the Lord and follow him.

And LDS prophets are not necessarily inspired, or called of God. It is merely an ecclesiastical title in the LDS Church. There is a world of difference between that and those that are truly called of God. Consider Martin Luther King, Jr and his calling to speak the "truth" about the evils of racism and segregation" Or Gandhi and his mission of peaceful protest and resistance to free his people from British rule. These are examples of true prophets because they stand up for the truth and say what needs to be said.

Somehow I don't think Tobin can hold a Temple recommend.

4. Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

Heresy! Burn the Panda!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I wonder where Spencer W. Kimball got the misguided notion that a Lamanite's skin color is tied to his/her righteousness, and not intermarriage?

I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today .... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter we represent, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

Yeah, that's not racist at all, Droopy!

- VRDRC

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

From Wikipedia:

In December 2010, the LDS Church made changes to the non-canonical chapter summaries and also to some of the footnotes in its online version of the Book of Mormon. In Second Nephi chapter 5, the original wording was: "Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge unto the Nephites." The phrase, "skin of blackness" was removed and became: "Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cut off from the presence of the Lord, are cursed, and become a scourge unto the Nephites."[26] The second change appears in summary of Mormon chapter 5. Formerly, it included the phrase that "the Lamanites shall be a dark, filthy, and loathsome people ..." The new version deleted the phrase "dark, loathsome, and filthy" and now reads, "... the Lamanites will be scattered, and the Spirit will cease to strive with them."[26][27]

These changes are seen by some critics to be another step in the evolution of the text of the Book of Mormon to delete racist language from it.[26] On the other hand, some believers in the Book of Mormon, such as Marvin Perkins, see these changes as better conforming the chapter headers and footnotes to the meaning of the text in light of the LDS Church's 1978 Revelation on Priesthood.[28] In an interview, a former BYU graduate student suggested that the changes were made for "clarity, a change in emphasis and to stick closer to the scriptural language."[26]

What's interesting to me is Mormons will teach the Bible has been tampered with plain and precious truths removed from it thus requiring a Second Testament of Christ in the form of the Book of Mormon. Yet, we see the very same thing happening with the Book of Mormon. It's been changed and tampered with so much that in 200 years one can safely bet it will be a very different book than when it was first published.

- VRDRC

[_Droopy]

I wonder where Spencer W. Kimball got the misguided notion that a Lamanite's skin color is tied to his/her righteousness, and not intermarriage?

I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today .... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter we represent, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

Yeah, that's not racist at all, Droopy!

- VRDRC

1. I'm not interested in stray, personal comments from an single GA from a very different generation and time, but in the established doctrines of the Church.

2. Everything to a committed, ideologically formatted and duly programmed leftist is "racist" if it isn't clearly leftist, just as there are a bundle of "isms," "ists" and "centrics" to anathematize and marginalize those whom the Left cannot defeat in the marketplace of ideas on a level intellectual playing field.

If you want real racism and racialism, Cam, might I suggest Affirmative Action, The Congressional Black Caucus, Afrocentrism, The Baseline Essays, Africanology, the theory and practice of "diversity" training in academia and private industry, and the ideology of multiculturalism, which is nothing less than intellectual national socialism?

Get out and about intellectually a little more, Cam.

[Guest]

1. I'm not interested in stray, personal comments from an single GA from a very different generation and time, but in the established doctrines of the Church.

A General Authority who became your Prophet. This was doctrine taught in The New Era... An official publication of the Church. You're kicking against the pricks, Droopy. Why don't you just admit that skin color, in Mormon theology, was related to spirituality vis a vis your gospel?

- VRDRC

* Edited to add *

I agree racist policy is racist policy. Whether or not you're considered a minority, and considered to be disadvantaged is beside the point. A race-based rather than merit-based reward system is wrong, and creates more division than unity (whether in the private or government sector, it doesn't matter). It establishes an entitlement class that will defend its right to its entitlements vigorously.

[_Bob Loblaw]

1. I'm not interested in stray, personal comments from an single GA from a very different generation and time, but in the established doctrines of the Church.

Can you explain the established doctrine of the church regarding skin color, race, and "curses"?

2. Everything to a committed, ideologically formatted and duly programmed leftist is "racist" if it isn't clearly leftist, just as there are a bundle of "isms," "ists" and "centrics" to anathematize and marginalize those whom the Left cannot defeat in the marketplace of ideas on a level intellectual playing field.

Just like this guy tries to marginalize the left: "The crux of the matter is that what we call "Leftism" or "Progressivism" is, in point of fact, a central hub of the Great and Abominable Church of the Devil the Book of Mormon foresees"

If you want real racism and racialism, Cam, might I suggest Affirmative Action, The Congressional Black Caucus, Afrocentrism, The Baseline Essays, Africanology, the theory and practice of "diversity" training in academia and private industry, and the ideology of multiculturalism, which is nothing less than intellectual national socialism?

The only racists I've seen here are a self-taught white guy and a self-proclaimed "expert" on Mormon doctrine. I don't need to delve into these other groups.

Get out and about intellectually a little more, Cam.

The irony of this statement defies description.