Value of Textual Analysis?

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Re: Value of Textual Analysis?

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Cicero wrote:How valuable have any of you found textual analysis of Mormon scripture to be in promoting (or destroying) faith?


I may be a lone voice in the wilderness, but I have found textual analysis of the Book of Mormon faith promoting in that it is evident upon closer inspection that the Book of Mormon is far more complex and interconnected than I had ever before thought.

And reading Grant Hardy's Understanding the Book of Mormon served to reinforce that view.

In my opinion, Hardy's book with the unassuming title is the most important book to ever have been written about the Book of Mormon. And it is written for member and non-member alike, not trying to prove the Book of Mormon true, but simply looking at it as a literary text.

I find the results astounding. (And I am not engaging in hyperbole.)

All the Best!

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I agree with you, Consig-- it is a very complex text. All the more amazing because its complexity brings out such a myriad of interpretations and implications for its individual readers.

Mormons are restricted to studying the text in isolation from other literature, while I have the freedom to study it in the context of the times in which it was written, and parallel literature available at that time-- late 1820's. It really makes more sense that way. :wink:
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Re: Value of Textual Analysis?

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Consig: I've only read excerpts and reviews of Hardy's book. Someday I will have to read the whole thing. What I'd really like to see is a non-Mormon write a book like that.
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Drifting wrote:Textual orientation is a lifestyle choice you know...


Sorry Drifting - just couldn't resist.
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If there were a number of texts with various retellings of the Grimm Brother's stories, I would hope some textual analysis could be applied to them and subsequently be published in a prestigious academic journal and then filed in the back stacks of the library. Back there where Suzie Wentworth used to take Richie Stevens for a makeout session.
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DrW wrote:
Drifting wrote:Textual orientation is a lifestyle choice you know...


Sorry Drifting - just couldn't resist.
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Some people struggle with same text attraction...but we should love them just the same...
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Cicero wrote:...
they are mainly trying to prove that Joseph wrote the Book of Mormon by using various forms and textual analysis
....


Nothing unusual for researchers trying to discover data that proves
their thesis -- whether that thesis is a guess about some text's
authorship, or a guess about the moon being made of green cheese.

However, I keep hoping to see a more thoughtful approach to the
researchers' hobby of deconstructing the Book of Mormon text.

The first question I'd like to see answered: "Is the book a composite
text, with parts written by more than one author?"

Of course we first of all factor out the blatant KJV biblical plagiarism;
but what about the remaining parts of the book?

The second question I'd like to see answered: "Does the book show
clear signs of dependence upon non-biblical pre-existing texts -- such
as the Westminster Confession, or some early American history book?"

The last question I'd like to see answered: "Is there internal evidence
present in the Book of Mormon, showing that the writer(s) consulted
any particular biblical commentaries, in attempting to manufacture
quasi-scriptural narrative, oracles, parables, poetry, etc.?"

None of these potential investigative approaches asks anybody to
prove that Joseph Smith wrote some predetermined portion of the
Book of Mormon --- but, reliable outcomes and quantifiable data
from such examinations may help us determine how much Smith
contributed to the book.

There are some interesting patterns emerging, from the study of
the language used in the beginning and end of the book, compared
to language present in the "middle" (roughly Mosiah to 3rd Nephi).

When we stop to ponder the probable writing sequence of the
several "Nephite" books, it become apparent that this shift in
language parallels the timeline for textual finalization -- that is
to say, the first and last parts of the book were written LATER
than the middle section, and so the shift in language usage can
be roughly charted on an 1828-29 calendar.

Study of these sorts of textual oddities could be vastly enhanced,
if the Mormons themselves would devote some time and energy to
analyzing linguistic patterns preserved in the text. Computerization
of the process makes the study "do-able" if only there were interest.

I've concluded that the Mormons simply are not interested.

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Computerization
of the process makes the study "do-able" if only there were interest.

I've concluded that the Mormons simply are not interested.
Just as they are not interested in excavating Hill Cumorah. It is the faith alone approach.

@Drifting and Dr.W: Yes, I still have a crush on Mike Quinn

@ Dale: And many other researchers, including Criddle and Co.
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Re: Value of Textual Analysis?

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Garbo wrote:Incidentally, I studied a little text criticism during my undergraduate years. I thought it was very interesting and I can certainly see how text criticism could be used to understand better the origins of the Book of Mormon, especially if it can be shown that the Book of Mormon draws upon contemporary sources.


Garbo,

Sorry for taking so long to respond. Such is life. :smile:

Since you liked studying textual criticism you might find all three books interesting. I will be the first to admit that this kind of stuff is not everyone's cup of tea.

I love learning about texts, I suppose this is why I love collecting books. I get excited learning such things as the binding of Wilford Woodruff’s personal copy of the Book of Commandments “is similar to that of Woodruff’s first journal . . . suggesting both books were bound at the same time.” Or learning that “two versions of the Book of Commandments title page are extant: a version without an ornamental border and a more common version with an ornamental border.”

Mike Marquardt's book on Smith's revelations is packed full of information. Mike takes a neutral tone in his book. It is a book of facts and information. If you want to understand the development of Smith's revelations and the D&C, his book is the most valuable book you could own. His book has become even more valuable since the publication of the two Revelation and Translation volumes produced by the JSPP.

I am not sure anyone can study the Book of Mormon seriously without Metcalfe and Vogel's books. I would also lump in B.H. Roberts "Studies in the Book of Mormon." This is a great work by a great mind. (WARNING: Gratuitous plug for Chris Smith and my session at Sunstone)

I am with you on Mormon Enigma. This is still one of my favorite books of all time. If you read RSR after this you will be disappointed. Newell and Avery write such an engaging book, RSR is an important book and people should read it to get the faithful side of the story, but Mormon Enigma is fun. One of my other favorites is Stan Kimball's Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer. Stan was a master historian and his book is one of the great Mormon biographies. Many people, including myself, consider Mike Quinn's Elder Statesman to be the best Mormon biography written to date. It is the most important book on the twentieth century Church.

Happy reading.
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