It's no longer official

[_Jason Bourne]

[quote="bcspace"]It never was official, not being published by the Church. Merely being sold in an LDS store does not fit any definition of official doctrine.

Yet the copyright clearly still says Bookcraft. This is no different than the intro the BD establishing where it comes from (not the Church).

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So even though the Church now features it on its website it is not official? What a load of crap. You continue to see what disingenuous apologists need to do in order to defend the indefensible.

[_DarkHelmet]

It never was official, not being published by the Church. Merely being sold in an LDS store does not fit any definition of official doctrine.

church leaders have taught from that book for years and still do today. So why are YOU trying to distance yourself from that book. Are you embarrassed by it?

[_bcspace]

The mere fact that the apologists have created official/unofficial doctrines simply shows that they are embarrassed by some LDS beliefs.

Actually, the Church itself has done so in it AMD statement, Teaching, No Greater Call, the recent Conference address, Correlation, etc. etc.

The question is are apologists sticking to the Church's description? I am. Others are. Others are not. Those that don't are not really apologists for the Church.

[_Yoda]

It never was official, not being published by the Church. Merely being sold in an LDS store does not fit any definition of official doctrine.

For what it's worth the text of the book can still be found on LDS.org

http://www.LDS.org/braille/The%20Miracl ... veness.txt

Yet the copyright clearly still says Bookcraft. This is no different than the intro the BD establishing where it comes from (not the Church).

(Bold emphasis mine)

BC, this is clear as mud, considering the next quote here:

Deseret Book merger

In early 1999, Bookcraft was acquired by Deseret Management Corporation (DMC), the parent company of the LDS Church's for-profit businesses. This allowed the church to expand in the larger "values-oriented" publishing market, and reduce translation costs of titles for international sale. The merger also brought more writings by general authorities under the church's ownership, allowing for electronic and print collaborations with other DMC entities (such as Deseret Book, the Deseret News, and Bonneville International) and church entities (such as Brigham Young University, the Church Educational System).[18]

(bold emphasis mine)

So much for Bookcraft not being "from the Church".

[_ldsfaqs]

It never was official, not being published by the Church. Merely being sold in an LDS store does not fit any definition of official doctrine.

church leaders have taught from that book for years and still do today. So why are YOU trying to distance yourself from that book. Are you embarrassed by it?

And I'm sure you and the rest anti-mormons here believe in AND teach principles that are also found in the Bible, but does that mean you believe every word of it or in it?

I don't think so..... So stop being a predicable hypocritical bigot.

2nd.... There is nothing in the book that I recall that is wrong or the Church or it's members should "distance" themselves from, thus your question is ridiculous.

The Church sales it because it is a good book by one of it's modern prophets, that's all, end of story. The Church has NEVER endorsed every word in every book put out by an LDS leader. It's said that over and over.

Anti-mormon double standards are simply fascinating to me. You accuse the Church of being "fascists" and "hiding" information, but yet when we actually don't, thus allowing free thought and some "opinion" i.e. books that may have some opinion not officially supported, we are THEN accused of supporting stuff we don't believe, but then by supporting it we MUST actually do believe and support it.

More proof that your judgments aren't based on actual truth and right, but ignorant and ugly bigotry.

[_Cinnamon Bear Head]

Sales it?

[_DarkHelmet]

And I'm sure you and the rest anti-mormons here believe in AND teach principles that are also found in the Bible, but does that mean you believe every word of it or in it? I don't think so..... So stop being a predicable hypocritical bigot.

I don't believe the Bible is the word of God. Both the good lessons and ugly things in the Bible are man made.

2nd.... There is nothing in the book that I recall that is wrong or the Church or it's members should "distance" themselves from, thus your question is ridiculous.

Some of the things in that book are used by critics as an example of negative aspects of the church. You obviously don't agree with that. That's fine. It just seems that most apologists, when presented with problematic excerpts from that book try to distance themselves and the church from the book. You apparently don't.

The Church sales it because it is a good book by one of it's modern prophets, that's all, end of story. The Church has NEVER endorsed every word in every book put out by an LDS leader. It's said that over and over.

You are separating the church from the church leaders and deciding for yourself what counsel you will follow and what you will ignore. The TBMs I know don't do that.

Anti-mormon double standards are simply fascinating to me. You accuse the Church of being "fascists" and "hiding" information, but yet when we actually don't, thus allowing free thought and some "opinion" i.e. books that may have some opinion not officially supported, we are THEN accused of supporting stuff we don't believe, but then by supporting it we MUST actually do believe and support it.

More proof that your judgments aren't based on actual truth and right, but ignorant and ugly bigotry.

The church has done this to themselves. They are trying to follow a middle ground where their past doctrines were divinely inspired, while also trying to mainstream by making the embarrassing past doctrines "unofficial opinion". They need to decide what they want to be - a peculiar people, or a mainstream church. If the former, they should embrace all their embarrassing past doctrines and proudly defend them. If the latter, they should acknowledge their past leaders made mistakes and the doctrines did not come from God. They are trying to live in this weird middle area where they proudly sell The Miracle of Forgiveness while also saying they don't believe the stuff that SWK teaches in it.