will beer influence the election?

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_ludwigm
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Re: will beer influence the election?

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madeleine wrote:I plan to drink a 6 pack before voting, and another 6 afterward.

1. As far as I know, six pack is six units of a commodity, especially six cans or bottles of a beverage, such as beer, sold in a pack.
The units are - in general - 0,33 litre.
In Hungary, we use the expression a crate of beer, which is 20 (twenty) units of 0,5 litre bottle.
The word glass=üveg in hungarian means a bottle / a flask.
In English, it is a cup-like (cup-sized) object.
That poor, dry english-speakers...

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Re: will beer influence the election?

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ludwigm wrote:
madeleine wrote:I plan to drink a 6 pack before voting, and another 6 afterward.

1. As far as I know, six pack is six units of a commodity, especially six cans or bottles of a beverage, such as beer, sold in a pack.
The units are - in general - 0,33 litre.
In Hungary, we use the expression a crate of beer, which is 20 (twenty) units of 0,5 litre bottle.
The word glass=üveg in hungarian means a bottle / a flask.
In English, it is a cup-like (cup-sized) object.
That poor, dry english-speakers...

2.
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Six pack =

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can also reference the abs of a physically fit individual.

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Re: will beer influence the election?

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I have no doubt that all of this stuff about Obama drinking beer is about reminding people of one way in which he is more like the majority of Americans than that oddball Mitt Romney. It points strongly in the direction of Romney's religious oddities. So, yeah, and frankly, on this issue, I don't mind them doing it.

If they were focusing on Mormonism being an odd religion more directly, then that would raise all kinds of uncomfortable issues about Obama's religious past (i.e., Jeremiah Wright).
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Re: will beer influence the election?

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Sethbag wrote:Another question I wanted to pose, but forgot to in my OP, is that if you agree that this is happening, do you think it's OK? That is, Romney's religiously-motivated aversion to beer may be used against him politically. Is that kosher with you?

I do think that Obama's campaign is intentionally (albeit subtly) using beer in the way suggested in the OP. It is a way to remind voters that Romney is different than them. It is a way to invoke in the mind of the reader Romney's Mormon religion without the Obama campaign uttering the words, which might create some political blowback.

And yes, I do think it is OK. A candidate's religion has been made a campaign issue in elections past. To wit, 2008 and Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Obama's past pastor. I think the influences on the thought processes of one running for public office is fair game. It is not an impingement on the exercise of free religion for a voter to base his or her vote on liking or not liking a candidate's religious beliefs.

If Romney came out against the law of gravity. Would that approach of Romney's thinking towards science affect your voting decision? Sure. Would it be a legitimate factor in your voting decision? Sure.

Granted, religion is different. It is one's fanciful ideas for the hereafter, rather than logical inferences drawn from observable facts. However, one's religious views do affect when he or she might 'flip the switch' and engage the country in a war, or how his justice department might enforce laws that go towards civil liberties.

I think it is craftsman-like for a political campaign to keep reminding the electorate of the opponent's Achilles heel in a way that reduces the chance for it back firing on that campaign and its candidate.

My hat's off to the Obama campaign for so cleverly using beer in this way.
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Re: will beer influence the election?

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madeleine wrote:... pictures

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which are forbidden for some (or only one miserable) board member ...

There are risks and side effects, I know. As every medicament have.

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Re: will beer influence the election?

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ludwigm wrote:
madeleine wrote:... pictures

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which are forbidden for some (or only one miserable) board member ...

There are risks and side effects, I know. As every medicament have.

by the way


One needs medication to make it through this political malaise.

As to your linked pics....

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Re: will beer influence the election?

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madeleine wrote:... more picture

Would You be so kind to quote my comments - without question marks and other edited out pictures?

This is an asymmetric and non-zero-sum game.

You can use pictures, so You use them.
I am floundering behind a colour bar.

madeleine wrote:As to your linked pics....
Do anybody see them?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: will beer influence the election?

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ludwigm wrote:
madeleine wrote:... more picture

Would You be so kind to quote my comments - without question marks and other edited out pictures?

This is an asymmetric and non-zero-sum game.

You can use pictures, so You use them.
I am floundering behind a colour bar.

madeleine wrote:As to your linked pics....
Do anybody see them?


Can't see your pics. I copied/paste the URL and saw beer wenches.
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Re: will beer influence the election?

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Well the White House released the beer recipes today, and was reported on the Political tracker page on CNN. Another way to catch someone's attention for a few minutes and remind them of Obama, and again remind people that Mitt Romney can't do this sort of thing because he's a Mormon.

Here's a video on the beer-making that the White House released.

My hat is off to them. Not only is this a very cool thing about Obama that makes me like him even more, but I think it's been wielded with a light touch, not getting too much focus, but just the right amount to have a little nudge on peoples' opinions, without overplaying it.

Plus I just think it's pretty damn cool that Obama was the first president, apparently, to home brew in the White House. That really does look friggin delicious too.

If you were given a bottle of White House beer, would you drink it and save the empty bottle, or save the full bottle as some kind of, for lack of a better word, souvenir or collector's item? I think I'd have to drink it, and then let the bottle serve as the collector's item. ;-)
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