Really this is consiced appropriate on a Sunday???? WTF

[_zeezrom]

Men have more dignity than what we credit them for.

A man usually doesn't like his woman to get intimate out of obligation.

[_Bret Ripley]

I can't say more about my own experiences because I'm already alarmed by the fact that someone thinks we're all in agreement that it was the bishop's delivery and not his content "per se" that we disagree about. Ye gods.

I'd like to say more about my experiences too, but I'm unable to do so because I'm alarmed by the fact that someone gets white-hot angry over the lack of qualifications of the messenger, of all things, and not the factual accuracy (or lack thereof) of the message itself.

The quote you supply reaffirms that the content of the message is indeed a point of contention.

Ye gods indeed!

x3, I s'pose.

[_Sethbag]

Wow dude, did I piss in your wheaties and not notice? WTF?

You couldn't have possibly noticed the excessive amount of smileys?

Yes, because we know that I can call you a damned cum-slurping cocknozzle, and if I end it with :biggrin::biggrin: we're all good, right?

Wow you are wound up, perhaps you should get more of that one sided sex to release the tension, or perhaps maybe there is more to sex than not regretting it?

You really have no idea what you're talking about, but you think that you do. Do you always jump to unwarranted conclusions and then insult people on the Internet? Grow up.

Fair enough. You think I am not old enough to understand what it's like when your wife doesn't want to have sex with you. It doesn't take 20 years of marriage to encounter that problem unfortunately. I've encountered it plenty of times, and am embarrassed to say that I resorted to making my partner feel guilty or begging for it. A few times she agreed, and it was among my worst sexual experiences. Maybe you are into that though.

I'm not. You really don't have any idea what you're talking about, but again it doesn't stop you from jumping to conclusions and insulting people you don't even know on the Internet.

I would go so far to say that the stereotype you made earlier (that men are more interested in sex) is not true in a single couple I have encountered. Now, there are conditions in both men and women that effect sex drive, but I don't think those conditions are predominately male or Female. Maybe you could Google me some proof. I am working on my PhD in Neuroscience so hopefully I could follow anything you pull up.

Following are literally the first five results Googling "do men need sex more than women?" All five answer in the affirmative. Whether or not they are scientific enough to satisfy you I cannot say.

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-d ... en-compare

Next is not scientific, but does show the stereotype "in the wild": http://www.sosuave.com/articles/why.htm

http://sciencefocus.com/qa/do-men-need-sex-more-women

http://www.abc.net.au/health/talkinghea ... 973459.htm

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... difference

Also, since you seem to believe that your 24-year old libido and your very short married time represent the status quo throughout your life, I will direct you to this Kinsey Institute FAQ page, particularly the "Frequency of Sex" tables. To simplify, I'll point out the "married" data for "percentage of men reporting vaginal sex". The same table focused on women is close in all age groups and frequencies, the difference most likely being reporting errors or the like.

In the 18-24 age bracket 2-3 times per week is at 45.8%, with 4+ times per week at 20.8%. So over 66% of married men 18-24 report sex more than twice a week. By age 40-49 that total has dropped to only around 24%. Even in the 25-29 age bracket that total is only around 43%. I hate to break it to you, but unless you're the rock star in bed who can keep up your wife's interest at the same level it is right now for the next 20-30 years, you are probably destined to have a lot less sex in the next three decades than maybe you're counting on right now.

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how it feels. I'll assume you're fat and ugly and your wife finds you disgusting and just doesn't want sex with you anymore, and I'll post all about it on the Internet somewhere, despite still never even having met you. I'll also assume you just suck at sex, so your wife must be bored or something.

For what it's worth, and despite it not being any of your business, my wife and I have followed the statistical averages for sexual frequency throughout most of our marriage. We were probably slightly higher than average during years 5-10, but have settled slowly down into about average for our age group since then. We're now been married going on 22 years. We're right in that "A few times per month to weekly" that 51% of the men in the 40-49 age bracket report. The frequency isn't what it used to be, but the quality is definitely up. You may have it all figured out at age 24, and I remember thinking so too, but I predict you'll find ways to improve over the next 20 years too.

You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that my wife doesn't want to have sex with me anymore, and you've assumed that on very skimpy and insufficient cause. In fact, if there is a discrepency between me and my wife in sexual desire, it's that she's probably happy with the "a few times per month to weekly", while I'd prefer we be more like "weekly to a couple times a week".

Do you assume that a married couple's libidos will evolve over time at the exact same rate? If so, on what do you base this assumption?

Do you assume that if a married couple's libidos do not evolve at exactly the same rate over time, that the reason must be that one partner is fat? Ugly? crappy at sex? If so, on what basis do you assume this?

If you try really hard, can you think of any other reasons, like physiological ones, hormonal ones, etc. that might contribute to the uneven evolution of sexual desire in a married couple?

Again it's not your business, but my wife was showing signs of an early menopause in her late 30s, and now in her early 40s is for all intents and purposes post-menopausal, several years ahead of average. Have you ever read any material that discusses a woman's sex drive post menopause? Here's literally the very first result from a simple Google search on the subject.

... or that you think this:

that sometimes his wife isn't interested in sex, but will sometimes "give in" and have it anyway, and she never, ever regrets it.

Is advantageous to or the same as having sex where your... I mean your friends... wife is actually enjoying it? Not just "not regretting it", but enjoying it?

Again you're jumping to conclusions. "not regretting it" was my wry humor way of saying that my wife will sometimes not really be looking for sex, but when I initiate and she accepts the offer and has it anyway, she has a mind-blowing experience and ends up exhausted and apparently more than satisfied. Did I really need to spell it out in this way? It was my way of disputing the assumption in this thread that a woman having sex with her long-time husband even when she didn't start out in the mood doesn't have to be her just opening her legs and biting her lips in agony as he pushes himself in her unlubricated and unprepared and hurts her emotionally and physically. WTF, why am I even having to explain this?

Quite frankly, if there is every an extended period of time where my wife did not want to have sex with me, barring medical issues, I would consider getting a divorce and finding someone that I can have a sexual relationship with.

DING DING DING DING DING. We have a winner. You do realize that you've just admitted to pretty much exactly what this bishop was trying to get across to the sisters in his ward, don't you? This is exactly what he was talking about. Whether he said it artfully or not, this is what he was talking about.

Then again, I know how to get my wife in the mood.

Good for you. You've had some great sex with your new wife over the last couple of years and think you've got it all figured out. Well I'm really happy for you. Get back with me in twenty years and prove me wrong.

By the way, have you heard the common joke/urban myth or whatever it is that says if you put a penny in a jar every time you have sex in the first five years of marriage, and then remove a penny from the jar every time you have sex thereafter, you'll die before that jar is empty? There's a reason everyone's heard this.

Convinced? I'm not surprised if you aren't. It's a lot easier to blame the wives for husbands shortcomings.

Convinced by what? That some 24-year old newlywed has figured out exactly why my sexual frequency with my bride of 21 years is pretty much on par with the statistical average for our age group? You can see that you're being a bit of a dick in this thread, can't you? Adding some smileys doesn't negate that.

[_zeezrom]

It angers me that a bishop has the audacity to presume it a good idea to meddle with the members of his ward. He thinks he is doing the brethren a favor. Damn him!

"Look, I helped you out! I got you more sex. Thank me! Sure, they are just that much more threatened, but it's sex!"