No Evidence+Hope=Faith; Faith over time=>"Perfect" Knowledge

[_Nightlion]

Man! Put a sock in it!
You have not the slightest clue what the Mormons are failing to do.

The evidence is the "knowing of the Lord". This is how the Old Testament saints spoke of it.
When they preached they sought to help others to 'KNOW' the Lord.

This knowing of the Lord is making direct contact with God. Not that you need see him with your eyes. You come to know the Lord by being visited by his power and wrought upon and cleansed and made a new creature. Now do not skip over all that lightly.

Compare this with an allegory. Let's say your are earnest in making contact with ET. It swallows up your entire life and you can hardly think of another thought. You subject your whole heart to it. It fills up your desires and breaks you heart to make you all the more worthy of knowing ET. Suddenly a presence hovers over your house and causes a great power to come down upon you and turns you into a goat.

You know that you are now a goat. You know that a power came upon you and turned you into a goat. THAT IS EVIDENCE. Even though nobody will believe you and they will tell you that you have made yourself a goat, you know better.

Back in Zion, having been raise up to a state of righteousness by the creation of God that came upon you your faith is increased daily as you are taught of God and made to know what no man ever taught you. Great things come along and by comparison to vain pretenders you are limitless. Evidence is added upon continually. Your knowledge of God was perfect from the fist moment that he let fall upon you his Almighty power manifesting himself unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost.

Mormons do not do this. They choke and will not surrender an acceptable sacrifice to enter in at the straight gate to be found standing upon the rock of Christ.

Sine you came out from among pretenders all you know for evidence is a pretense. Like dreaming that you eat and waking up empty.

[_zeezrom]

I don't know if this comment really fits in your thread, but when I returned from my mission, I felt I really could say I know something: that God loves his children. That was all I felt comfortable saying regarding what spiritual things I knew. I had just spent two years listening to heart wrenching stories of families torn apart, starvation, children taught to murder, and human torture. All I could do was believe that love transcended all. It hurt to realize the extent of human suffering. But I think it hurt more to think love didn't exist in some sort of abstract, overarching way in the universe.

[_Nightlion]

I don't know if this comment really fits in your thread, but when I returned from my mission, I felt I really could say I know something: that God loves his children. That was all I felt comfortable saying regarding what spiritual things I knew. I had just spent two years listening to heart wrenching stories of families torn apart, starvation, children taught to murder, and human torture. All I could do was believe that love transcended all. It hurt to realize the extent of human suffering. But I think it hurt more to think love didn't exist in some sort of abstract, overarching way in the universe.

Zeez, have you never listened to the stories of all those who experience NEAR DEATH. We live, move, and have our being in the ONLY dimension that is not filled with the Love of God as a constant presence everyone is fully aware of. That is so we can have free agency to chose to surrender the same in an acceptable sacrifice by faith. So we can experience THE EVIDENCE of God for ourselves and not another.