How God heals us

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_Dr. Shades
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zeezrom wrote:In my mind, I believed Isaiah was healed when the hot coal was touched to his lips. It was necessary for him to be given a punishment that fit the crime of evil speaking. This is how I saw God's healing methods.

I no longer believe that God needs to inflict pain on a person to heal them.

Ahh, I get it now. Thank you.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
zeezrom wrote:In my mind, I believed Isaiah was healed when the hot coal was touched to his lips. It was necessary for him to be given a punishment that fit the crime of evil speaking. This is how I saw God's healing methods.

I no longer believe that God needs to inflict pain on a person to heal them.

Ahh, I get it now. Thank you.

But alas, my flying by the cuff has caused some warping of logic in this thread. Or, at least, I haven't closed the loop.

The OP shows a man with an arrow stuck in his leg. How would my old God heal him? Would he rip it out? That would sure hurt! But what if the arrow is like looking at porn? (I use that analogy because that was discussed so frequently). How does God heal a person of the obsession with looking at male and female bodies. Like an arrow that needs to be ripped out?

How would my new God heal this ailment?

Maybe she would touch it and put her hand on my knee and ask me to start painting nudes in order to get all the nudiness out. Shrug. Not really sure.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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zeezrom wrote:
MCB wrote:So-- correct me if I am wrong-- Your religion is Neo-Hellenistic Pagan? :lol:

Isn't it wonderful?


As long as its not marvelous. :wink:
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zeezrom wrote:But alas, my flying by the cuff has caused some warping of logic in this thread. Or, at least, I haven't closed the loop.

The OP shows a man with an arrow stuck in his leg. How would my old God heal him? Would he rip it out? That would sure hurt! But what if the arrow is like looking at porn? (I use that analogy because that was discussed so frequently). How does God heal a person of the obsession with looking at male and female bodies. Like an arrow that needs to be ripped out?

How would my new God heal this ailment?

Maybe she would touch it and put her hand on my knee and ask me to start painting nudes in order to get all the nudiness out. Shrug. Not really sure.


Over these few years I've paid attention to the changes in your posts, Z (as you know). At first I saw you as a questioning Mormon. Then I saw you as an insecure apostate. Then I saw you as a lover of visual arts.

Now, it's clear that you are a poet, and always have been.
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Interesting thought, zeezrom.

Have you ever noticed how often the solution to a problem in greek myth was to change the form of the person?

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Thinking of hurtful arrows in greek myth, the story of Apollo and Daphne comes to mind.

Athena transforms Odysseus to an old man to get him past Penelope's suitors...maybe she would see you transformed rather than simply made as if it never happened? There is something honest and "real" to that thought. I'll have to think about it more.

Of course, there is the example of Artemis turning Actaeon into a stag for watching the goddess bathing to be killed by her hounds...not sure what that says about the porn watching example.

http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html

Maybe it's to know your goddesses and choose your actions accordingly. Consider Aphrodite turning Pygmaleon's statue of her into Galatea, for example...

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honorentheos wrote:Thinking of hurtful arrows in greek myth, the story of Apollo and Daphne comes to mind.


I'm still pretty new to the Apollo and Daphne story, Honor but love what I've learned so far. It seems a very beautiful tragedy. I wish the Book of Mormon had some love tragedies in it. That is not a new wish. Did anyone else out there ever wish we could learn more about Corianton's heart? What did he really feel about Isabel? Did he secretly love her?
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Until you brought it up, I never really thought about it, zeezrom. I think I was too conditioned to read the Book of Mormon as it was presented. Isabel was a harlot, Corianton was the unfaithful missionary called to repent. In fact, I'm not sure I thought of them as "real". Not to say I didn't believe they existed, but I never gave them depth, complex characteristics, real humanity. They were the paper cut out cartoon characters presented on the flannel board of all church stories.
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Zeez -

This song is a place I find healing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a-Cuf3fMgs&feature=related

I felt lucky in that I was able to catch Eddie in Phoenix earlier this month. It was an amazing, almost religious experience. Music really is goddess.

When I think about "God" and what I mean when I say I'm agnostic rather than an outright atheist, I intuit that there is something greater when two people come together as friends, as people who care than just the arithmatic of 1 + 1. I also intuit this when Nature catches me, aware or unawares, and expands my soul outside of my mortal vessel into something...greater.

The song, Just Breathe, hits just the right balance between happy and sad for me to sense something divine, loving, wounded but immortal. In other words, like life is most of the time.

So, that said, I'm a lucky man to be able to count you as a friend. To me, that is God. And healing.

And thank you. :)
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zeezrom wrote:Old Way:
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