So what if I want to sin?

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_Bob Loblaw
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So what if I want to sin?

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I hear a lot of Mormons insisting that those of us who leave do so because we "want to sin." I think for a lot of us that is an attempt to devalue what we've been through and give people permission to ignore us.

But what if someone did leave because they wanted to "sin"? Would that make the decision to leave any less difficult and painful? Would it make it less legitimate? I don't think so.

If I were gay and left the church because I knew that I could not have a fulfilling and happy life as a Mormon, to me that is an excellent reason to leave Mormonism behind. If I left because going to church every Sunday was sucking the life out of me, that's a legitimate reason to leave. If I left because I didn't want to pay tithing because I disagreed with how it was spent, that's another decent reason.

I left because the church is a load of crap, but that's no better or worse a reason for leaving than any other.
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Re: So what if I want to sin?

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Bob Loblaw wrote:
I left because the church is a load of crap, but that's no better or worse a reason for leaving than any other.


I dunno, it seems like the best possible reason to me.

People leave for many reasons. I guess that same sex orientation would be a good one. The best one, I think, is the realization that the founding tenets of the Church are just a huge pile of horse biscuits.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:I hear a lot of Mormons insisting that those of us who leave do so because we "want to sin." I think for a lot of us that is an attempt to devalue what we've been through and give people permission to ignore us.

But what if someone did leave because they wanted to "sin"? Would that make the decision to leave any less difficult and painful? Would it make it less legitimate? I don't think so.

If I were gay and left the church because I knew that I could not have a fulfilling and happy life as a Mormon, to me that is an excellent reason to leave Mormonism behind. If I left because going to church every Sunday was sucking the life out of me, that's a legitimate reason to leave. If I left because I didn't want to pay tithing because I disagreed with how it was spent, that's another decent reason.

I left because the church is a load of crap, but that's no better or worse a reason for leaving than any other.


All reasons for disaffection are equally dubious to those Mormons who truly believe. I am convinced there are more that secretly admire us than publicly scorn us.

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Re: So what if I want to sin?

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I hear a lot of Mormons insisting that those of us who leave do so because we "want to sin."


Since when do people who "want to sin" bother leaving the church?
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Re: So what if I want to sin?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
I hear a lot of Mormons insisting that those of us who leave do so because we "want to sin."


Since when do people who "want to sin" bother leaving the church?


:lol:

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There's no guilty pleasure in doing something that is no longer a 'sin'.
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Re: So what if I want to sin?

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LDSToronto wrote:All reasons for disaffection are equally dubious to those Mormons who truly believe. I am convinced there are more that secretly admire us than publicly scorn us.

Oh, I don't scorn you. I think there's a middle ground between scorn and admiration. You're people just like everybody else, doing the best you can.
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