Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[jpatterson]

Look, man, if you want John to continue relying on the same instincts that got him into this mess in order to get him out of the mess, be my guest.

I'm merely suggesting he try a different route: telling the truth.

[consiglieri]

Again I ask WHAT allegations has John said are baseless?

The allegation he had a sexual relationship with Rosebud?

The allegation he is a pedophile?

The allegation he sexually harassed Rosebud?

If it is this last, we have a split in this board right now as to whether what he did constitutes sexual harassment.

So how would it be a lie for John Dehlin to call it baseless?

This is why you must be specific.

This is why you must show your work.

You make a serious accusation that John Dehlin is lying.

The burden is on you to clarify what you mean and show that it happened.

Or at least make the attempt.

[drumdude]

Fact: John posted the policy publicly and declared that he had never violated it.
These facts are not disputable.

Felt the need to take down the link? Where's the transparency?

[jpatterson]

Again I ask WHAT allegations has John said are baseless?

Well it would help if John would stop deleting the word "baseless" from his posts where he addressed allegations.

[Dr Moore]

Not in the least. You are bringing the church into a private matter between John and Rosebud. Why is that?

Because John brought it up.

That's not an answer. Why is it your business to step in between John and the church?

[Dr Moore]

Again I ask WHAT allegations has John said are baseless?

Well it would help if John would stop deleting the word "baseless" from his posts where he addressed allegations.

JP -- just do yourself and all of us a favor. Post right here in this thread, specifically, word-for-word, the language you and Rosebud want to hear come out of John's mouth on MS podcast. This will go a long way to clearing up any confusion about what is being demanded for the sake of closure.

[Kukulkan]

Well it would help if John would stop deleting the word "baseless" from his posts where he addressed allegations.

JP -- just do yourself and all of us a favor. Post right here in this thread, specifically, word-for-word, the language you and Rosebud want to hear come out of John's mouth on MS podcast. This will go a long way to clearing up any confusion about what is being demanded for the sake of closure.

JP won't reveal until we get to 200 pages.

[jpatterson]

JP -- just do yourself and all of us a favor. Post right here in this thread, specifically, word-for-word, the language you and Rosebud want to hear come out of John's mouth on MS podcast. This will go a long way to clearing up any confusion about what is being demanded for the sake of closure.

You strike me as the kind of person who, when having done something wrong, offers a "I'm sorry you felt I did something wrong" kind of apology.

[drumdude]

Why can't James just tell everyone what A wants John to say? Because then A can't spend the rest of her and John's life dredging this up over and over.

Closure was never the goal. Retribution and payback is.

[The Stig]

JP -- just do yourself and all of us a favor. Post right here in this thread, specifically, word-for-word, the language you and Rosebud want to hear come out of John's mouth on MS podcast. This will go a long way to clearing up any confusion about what is being demanded for the sake of closure.

You strike me as the kind of person who, when having done something wrong, offers a "I'm sorry you felt I did something wrong" kind of apology.

It seemed like a pretty straightforward request and your response is a cheap deflection. All of this has been playing out in the court of public opinion, by design it seems. If you and Rosebud have an outcome in mind, it might make sense to articulate what that is. That is, if you are acting in good faith and simply wish for the truth to prevail. If the REAL goal is simply to destroy an old enemy, to extract the pound (or more) of flesh, then by all means keep playing games with the responses.