Water Dog wrote:The modern propaganda is certainly a lot better...
Huh. All I see is a beer glass.
Water Dog wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Honestly? I think if women got the Priesthood the Church would implode. I think men, for whatever reason, would stop participating. I think women in the Church would check out, for whatever reason. It's kind of weird, but I think the faithful like traditional roles. It really works for them. Men? They're empowered. Women? They get to chill out. That's it in a nutsshell.
Yep. Some men feel empowered. Mostly though I think priesthood is used like a leash to drag them along. Let's be honest, who is it that's leaving the church in droves? The men, not the women. And when women leave, mostly, it's because some man left before them. Like a wife leaving some time after husband bails. Not to paint with an overly broad brush, always exceptions, etc., but that's just the reality of the average situation.
The math of this isn't complicated. Just walk into any ward/branch and look around the room. Men don't enjoy being there. They visibly appear to be in real physical pain. Women are pretty into it though, usually.
Giving women the priesthood would be like unleashing the men. Suddenly all those guilt trips about being worthy, and how that worthiness status is essential to the salvation of their tender wives and whatnot, goes right out the window. They don't need to be there to bless their children or perform baptisms or whatever... the women can do it... and already are the ones nagging for those things to begin with. Priesthood is really just about disciplining men to have certain emotional/spiritual leadership roles within their families, which is a feminist/woman-centered mold of what a "real man" should be like. Look at the whole program. The porn/masturbation obsession... you think men came up with that? You think that's a legacy of men like Brigham Young? ROFL. No, that's something that came out of feminism.
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I agree, and I'll add that I think giving the women the priesthood would eventually lead the women to feel like the men. They'll feel pressure to "magnify their priesthood," realize that the priesthood is all made up, that the blessings don't work, since they're no more able to bless/ cure/ give good advice/ comfort than they were before, and the whole idea of a special power to act in god's name is a placebo. Giving women the priesthood will lead to women leaving just like the men, and when both go, so do the children.
Trimble, you ignorant sack of rhinoceros puss. The only thing more obvious than your lack of education is the foul stench that surrounds you.
CameronMO wrote:I think giving the women the priesthood would eventually lead the women to feel like the men. They'll feel pressure to "magnify their priesthood," realize that the priesthood is all made up, that the blessings don't work, since they're no more able to bless/ cure/ give good advice/ comfort than they were before, and the whole idea of a special power to act in god's name is a placebo. Giving women the priesthood will lead to women leaving just like the men, and when both go, so do the children.
That only males get the priesthood sets up a mini-version of the Great and Powerful Oz in each LDS home. The females occasionally have trepidation respect for the male priesthood holder in the house. But those females also see on a daily basis the human foibles are no less with priesthood holders than anyone else. The priesthood-holding males feed off and sometimes use that respect and differentiation.
Give females the priesthood and the curtain will be drawn back in each LDS house, the little man pulling the levers exposed. No more awe moments towards the priesthood by the LDS women folk. It would strip away one more mystery, and science and logic have already removed most of the corners of mystery for religion to hide and thrive in.
Water Dog wrote:The math of this isn't complicated. Just walk into any ward/branch and look around the room. Men don't enjoy being there. They visibly appear to be in real physical pain. Women are pretty into it though, usually.
This is an interesting point. I don't think it's as uncomplicated as you think, however. It's a lifelong lesson to a Mormon woman that it is never enough to just be into their religion, they must also send out all the correct signals and look like they are into it.
Being able to fake it, and to give every Mormon priesthood holder with authority over you exactly what he expects from you, in appearance, words, expression, agreeability and deference to his priesthood-based superiority is a significant part of the essence of being a TBM woman.
Water Dog wrote: Even if plastic smiles and primary voices are modeled, at the local level, few women can sustain that. Or even have an interest in doing so in the first place. I hear more women talking trash about those fakey fake nicey nice personas than anybody else.
Don't I know it.
And yes, I agree it's difficult to sustain, hence my point that those at church looking like they are okay with it are more likely to be the ones who are successfully-at least in public- faking it.
