Smac97 Gets Called Out On His Fabricated Tale On MD&D

[_Dr Exiled]

Too bad those idiots over there won't let me back on the thread to defend the points I brought up. My points were that first of all, it is complete nonsense to say a victim who remains silent is somehow brave in doing so. I was a witness to what a pedophile was doing in my stake way back when in the 1970's. I was 13 at the time. I wasn't a direct victim but I was counseled by the stake president to say nothing and let the church handle the matter. I wish I had been older and more sure of myself back then and maybe I would have said something. I definitely wasn't brave in staying silent. I feel that maybe I would be somewhat responsible if the pedo acted out again. Obviously, this is a difficult matter to sort out but just the same, I feel like not saying anything is so far from noble and great and laudable that I just had to say something when Smack97 brought out his hypothetical "silence is golden if the church is involved" nonsense and no one is allowed to question the wise action taken by the victim to say nothing (according to counselor Smack97). Second, society should do everything in its power to foster an environment where speaking out is encouraged. It is difficult to be strong in these situations and Ms. Denson should be the one with a medal and not Smack97's fantasy person. Only by speaking out can society rid itself as much as possible from these sexual predators. We will probably always have these criminals among us but staying silent is not the answer. It is part of the problem. Of course it is understandable if someone doesn't want to speak out and confront a sexual deviant. I get it. It's hard to be a Mckenna Denson and society needs more of them.

Now, should silent victims be punished for not speaking out? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! THEY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO SPEAK OUT AND PROTECTED WHEN THEY DO. They shouldn't be bullied into speaking as Calm and Smack97 conveniently (strawman like) claimed I said or supported. If there is a way to keep their testimony confidential, that should happen. The 6th amendment forces victims to confront their accusers and victims should be given every possible benefit within the law so that they do confront these sicko's and confront them often.

[_Madison54]

Too bad those idiots over there won't let me back on the thread to defend the points I brought up.

Yes, it is too bad they banned you from that thread. You were speaking up and saying so many things that needed to be said. Others are questioning smac now and (at least when he was on today), he’s not responding. Calm and bluebell went crazy on a couple posters and twisted every thing they said. Pretty unbelievable because they were spot on with their comments just as you were. Oh well. I think they look foolish.

Thanks for expressing your feelings here where at least you’re free to do so.

[_candygal]

Too bad those idiots over there won't let me back on the thread to defend the points I brought up.

Yes, it is too bad they banned you from that thread. You were speaking up and saying so many things that needed to be said. Others are questioning smac now and (at least when he was on today), he’s not responding. Calm and bluebell went crazy on a couple posters and twisted every thing they said. Pretty unbelievable because they were spot on with their comments just as you were. Oh well. I think they look foolish.

Thanks for expressing your feelings here where at least you’re free to do so.

I agree...Exiled is one of the posters who is upfront, knowledgeable and knows how to put things that matter across first and foremost. He is one of the few that smacs Smac. I miss ya guy!! In my perception, I feel that sometimes Calm and Bluebell give JulieM an unnecessary hard time on specifics when they already know what she means.

[_Madison54]

I agree...Exiled is one of the posters who is upfront, knowledgeable and knows how to put things that matter across first and foremost. He is one of the few that smacs Smac. I miss ya guy!! In my perception, I feel that sometimes Calm and Bluebell give JulieM an unnecessary hard time on specifics when they already know what she means.

Yes, she seems sweet, honest and upfront. They tried to twist everything she wrote and pick it apart and change the connotation for what she was obviously meaning to say. I honestly think they tag team on purpose against good posters as just a way to distract from readers getting the actual message that someone is clearly posting. I think smac uses this tactic too. He tries to get posters off topic and distracted from a subject that is obviously damaging to the church and there's no other defense than for him to attempt to get them off the actual subject. They do seem to be quite the tight threesome these days!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It's the oddest thing to observe active LDS place their church over Jesus Christ Himself.

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

It's the oddest thing to observe active LDS place their church over Jesus Christ Himself.

- Doc

Since when?

[_moksha]

What has changed with Bluebell? She was very cordial in the past and did not make challenges based on cherry picking elements of a case in order to weave a false (apologetic) narrative.

As for MD&D support for Smac, I assume several people are tagged on that board as being the Devil's Advocates. Just wish Smac did not take that role so literally.

Maybe on an issue where the Church is so obviously in the wrong, apologists have to try that much harder. It's like with the old FARMs crew, if you are going to fight a guerrilla war you need to crawl through the mud.

[Guest]

What has changed with Bluebell? She was very cordial in the past and did not make challenges based on cherry picking elements of a case in order to weave a false (apologetic) narrative.

Yes, I was going to mention that in my last post. bluebell used to be a much more honest poster over there, but she has turned into a clone of Calm's and is just a staunch a defender of smac as Calm. What they did at the end of that thread to Juliem was shameful and it just made them look so petty and foolish.

And notice that smac just stepped back and let them do it. He was on there posting several times yesterday and just stayed off that thread and answered none of the questions posed to him about his false story (because it was unraveling and not making any sense when really analyzed). He was all over that thread before that though and couldn't stay away.

Also what bluebell did to stem on another thread was so hypocritical. Her, Calm and smac were horrible to a new poster, issuing CFR's right and left and threatening to report him to the mods and telling him he'd be banned if he didn't answer the CFR's. Then stem issues one to bluebell and she blows it off, never answers it and then they ban him. It's so obvious who the mods are over there!!!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Their CFR tactic is a pretty interesting move. It's used to distract from points and move the discussion into petty asides that then can be used as justification to ban or shut the conversation down.

I mean, I'm not surprised, but I don't know how honest posters can tolerate posting in an environment that's totally stacked against open dialogue and is based in favoritism.

- Doc

[_mcjathan]

I mean, I'm not surprised, but I don't know how honest posters can tolerate posting in an environment that's totally stacked against open dialogue and is based in favoritism.

When an honest man realizes that he is mistaken, he will either cease being mistaken or cease being honest.