We Do Not Support John Dehlin

[Lowrance]

Yes, even though I have to admit each of those threads makes some attempt to identify and dismantle one of Dan's apologetics. Your post does nothing but attack an individual. It is a form of brigading and I continue to believe it does not belong here. That should not be taken as a reduction of your right to free speech. I fully support that, in relevant and appropriate fora. Most notably, you did not address my point, but rather did the most Mormon thing ever -- point the finger at someone else. I'll take that as a concession of the validity of my position that your post is a pointless personal vendetta with no place on this Terrestrial forum.

It also appears that the ‘Stand with Rosebud’ theme is only a pretense from Lowrance to push Lowrance’s pet issue of the prevalence of DCP threads. That isn’t ‘standing’ with Rosebud so much as using her and that situation to push a different personal agenda.

In the course of my 42-year career, I have interacted with hundreds of different women; I have hired at least 40 of them, and I have had to let go of at least 20 of them; however, no one has ever accused me of acting inappropriately toward a woman. On the other hand, John has been accused of inappropriate behavior by a total of 19 different women.

The reason I started this thread is because, after viewing a video of Jenn Kamp's that was over an one hour long, I believe that she is telling the truth. The following is a synopsis of what she reported that John said during one of the exchanges that they had. Jenn Kamp said, not understanding the meaning of what he was saying, I asked, 'I receive that?'" After that, he said to me while I was still facing away from him, "yeah, you get that, you get oral sex." I just froze. Since I was a young child, I've always had the same reaction to traumatic experiences.

That is just one example of the many strange encounters John has had with the women he has worked with. If these allegations were being made about one of the apostles, I believe that everyone in this room would agree that John would have already made 10 podcasts addressing the inappropriate actions that were being committed against the apostle who was being accused. He would then request that each and every one of us believe the woman or women who were accusing one of the 15 of the crime. He would then spend hours upon hours going over exactly what the accused apostle said or did to make the woman feel uncomfortable, and he would do this by having the woman appear on his podcast. He would go on and on about the patriarchy and wax poetic about how oppressive the patriarchy is toward women. He would talk about it for hours. He would, wouldn't he?

But John dehlin is the one who has been accused of putting a woman in an inappropriate situation.

19 women.

[MopologistGPT]

This is something I just learned in the past few days, and I got to admit that I'm upset that it's not taken more seriously, especially here on this board. There are 19 Mormon/Exmormon women who have signed a letter accusing John Dehlin of inappropriate actions against them. I just learned this information. On the other hand, RFM is permitted to speak negatively about jenn Kamp by stating that he is relieved that he was never in the same room with her while they were both alone. 19 women have come forward to accuse John of acting inappropriately toward them, which is a significant number of women. In fact, all it took was one woman to accuse a judge of inappropriate behavior for the government to spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours investigating the allegation that he was inappropriate towards one woman. There are 19 women who have accused John of acting inappropriately toward them while he was interacting with them. Why does it appear that no one on this board is interested in what these women have to say? On this board, Rosebud and Jenn are both made fun of and viciously attacked, but no one appears to care about either of them. Can someone please explain why a message board in which men make up the majority of the posters is allowing this grotesque behavior to continue toward women who are attempting to have their voices heard?

Here's a video I watched yesterday, never knew so many Mormon/Exmormon women are accusing John of being such a major A-hole! Would love to know what other board members think. 19 Mormon/Exmormon Women!
https://www.youtube.com/live/mnliFWAPxuE?feature=share

Here's the letter


We Do Not Support John Dehlin

John Dehlin has long used Mormon and x-Mormon women to mask his bad behavior.

He has used our talents, time, movements and reputation to bolster his brand and enrich himself. He takes advantage of vulnerable people in crisis, who are in legitimate need of help and community. When women come forward with critiques of his behavior or allegations of wrongdoing he retaliates by lashing out at them and attempting to publicly discredit them.

We aren’t people who protect the Mormon Church, and we also don’t protect men who put the community at risk— whether they are Mormon or not.

We have had enough.

Many of us have worked with him in the past, and want to make clear that we no longer do and don’t encourage any other women to do so. It’s not safe. We refuse to be used as a mask for abuse.

We think it’s a better use of everyone’s time and investment to support other folks building community and providing resources for exiting Mormonism. If you need therapy, you should seek out a professional who is actually licensed by the state to provide those services. If you need community (as we all do), you should seek out people who don’t regularly tear down women who disagree with them. It’s time we reconsider giving so much energy and support to someone who has the potential to do so much harm.

John Dehlin often attempts to paint criticism as an “attack” and is an expert at making himself the victim.

This is not an attack. It’s a clarification of values. Our values are to support and believe women.

We invite you to do the same.

____________________________________

Kate Kelly, founder of Ordain Women

Jenn Kamp, former co-host of Mormon Stories Podcast and Director of Operations for Open Stories Foundation (Open Stories Foundation)
Joanna Smith, Ordain Women founding Board Member
Amy Grubbs, former Director of Operations for Open Stories Foundation (Open Stories Foundation)
Sharon Price, former Events Coordinator for Open Stories Foundation (Open Stories Foundation)
Dr. Kristy Money
Dr. Amber Choruby Whiteley
Dr. Mica McGriggs
Marisa McPeck-Stringham, MSW, CSW
April Carlson, LCSW
Aimee Evans Hickman, former editor-in-chief of Exponent II
Emily Clyde Curtis
Chelsi Barnard Archibald
Tresa Brown Edmunds
Hannah Wheelwright
“Rosebud,” representing herself and the many women John Dehlin has intimidated into silence
Jaynee Talbot
Leanne Sawyer
Raina Kimball


Will the moderators move this thread to the telestial forum and silence the voices of 19 Mormon/Exmormon women?

It is important to take all allegations of inappropriate behavior seriously, particularly those made by multiple individuals. It is also important to create a safe and respectful environment for all individuals to express their views and to be heard. If there are specific allegations of inappropriate behavior, it may be appropriate for law enforcement or other relevant authorities to investigate.

It is not productive or helpful to engage in personal attacks or to make derogatory comments about individuals, including those who have made allegations of inappropriate behavior. It is important to maintain a respectful and civil discourse, particularly when discussing sensitive topics.

Ultimately, it is up to the moderators of this message board to determine how to handle discussions of sensitive topics and allegations of inappropriate behavior. It may be appropriate to consult with them or to raise your concerns in a respectful and constructive manner.

[canpakes]

In the course of my 42-year career, I have interacted with hundreds of different women; I have hired at least 40 of them, and I have had to let go of at least 20 of them; however, no one has ever accused me of acting inappropriately toward a woman.

Chances are, if you had to be asked by 20 of them to ‘let go’, then you probably were acting inappropriately.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

In the course of my 42-year career, I have interacted with hundreds of different women; I have hired at least 40 of them, and I have had to let go of at least 20 of them; however, no one has ever accused me of acting inappropriately toward a woman.

Chances are, if you had to be asked by 20 of them to ‘let go’, then you probably were acting inappropriately.

Well, the fast food industry has a high turnover rate, so . . .

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

It is important to take all allegations of inappropriate behavior seriously, particularly those made by multiple individuals. It is also important to create a safe and respectful environment for all individuals to express their views and to be heard. If there are specific allegations of inappropriate behavior, it may be appropriate for law enforcement or other relevant authorities to investigate.

It is not productive or helpful to engage in personal attacks or to make derogatory comments about individuals, including those who have made allegations of inappropriate behavior. It is important to maintain a respectful and civil discourse, particularly when discussing sensitive topics.

Ultimately, it is up to the moderators of this message board to determine how to handle discussions of sensitive topics and allegations of inappropriate behavior. It may be appropriate to consult with them or to raise your concerns in a respectful and constructive manner.

Next MopologistGPT is going to be bucking for mod status.

[Kishkumen]

Well, the fast food industry has a high turnover rate, so . . .

We hope it's that innocent.

[Kishkumen]

In the course of my 42-year career, I have interacted with hundreds of different women; I have hired at least 40 of them, and I have had to let go of at least 20 of them; however, no one has ever accused me of acting inappropriately toward a woman. On the other hand, John has been accused of inappropriate behavior by a total of 19 different women.

The reason I started this thread is because, after viewing a video of Jenn Kamp's that was over an one hour long, I believe that she is telling the truth. The following is a synopsis of what she reported that John said during one of the exchanges that they had. Jenn Kamp said, not understanding the meaning of what he was saying, I asked, 'I receive that?'" After that, he said to me while I was still facing away from him, "yeah, you get that, you get oral sex." I just froze. Since I was a young child, I've always had the same reaction to traumatic experiences.

That is just one example of the many strange encounters John has had with the women he has worked with. If these allegations were being made about one of the apostles, I believe that everyone in this room would agree that John would have already made 10 podcasts addressing the inappropriate actions that were being committed against the apostle who was being accused. He would then request that each and every one of us believe the woman or women who were accusing one of the 15 of the crime. He would then spend hours upon hours going over exactly what the accused apostle said or did to make the woman feel uncomfortable, and he would do this by having the woman appear on his podcast. He would go on and on about the patriarchy and wax poetic about how oppressive the patriarchy is toward women. He would talk about it for hours. He would, wouldn't he?

But John dehlin is the one who has been accused of putting a woman in an inappropriate situation.

19 women.

Yeah, who would lie about that kind of thing?



And I see 19 signatories, not 19 accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct aimed at those same signatories.

[drumdude]

I see 19 signatories, not 19 accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct aimed at those same signatories.

That's because there is still only rosebud. And her claims keep morphing over time and have never been concrete.

I really despise the Dehlin detractors calling everything John does sexual abuse. Firing a woman is not sexual abuse. Paying her less is not sexual abuse. Getting into an argument at work is not sexual abuse. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse!

[Lowrance]

In the course of my 42-year career, I have interacted with hundreds of different women; I have hired at least 40 of them, and I have had to let go of at least 20 of them; however, no one has ever accused me of acting inappropriately toward a woman. On the other hand, John has been accused of inappropriate behavior by a total of 19 different women.

The reason I started this thread is because, after viewing a video of Jenn Kamp's that was over an one hour long, I believe that she is telling the truth. The following is a synopsis of what she reported that John said during one of the exchanges that they had. Jenn Kamp said, not understanding the meaning of what he was saying, I asked, 'I receive that?'" After that, he said to me while I was still facing away from him, "yeah, you get that, you get oral sex." I just froze. Since I was a young child, I've always had the same reaction to traumatic experiences.

That is just one example of the many strange encounters John has had with the women he has worked with. If these allegations were being made about one of the apostles, I believe that everyone in this room would agree that John would have already made 10 podcasts addressing the inappropriate actions that were being committed against the apostle who was being accused. He would then request that each and every one of us believe the woman or women who were accusing one of the 15 of the crime. He would then spend hours upon hours going over exactly what the accused apostle said or did to make the woman feel uncomfortable, and he would do this by having the woman appear on his podcast. He would go on and on about the patriarchy and wax poetic about how oppressive the patriarchy is toward women. He would talk about it for hours. He would, wouldn't he?

But John dehlin is the one who has been accused of putting a woman in an inappropriate situation.

19 women.

Yeah, who would lie about that kind of thing?



And I see 19 signatories, not 19 accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct aimed at those same signatories.

I never said inappropriate sexual conduct. You did.

[Kishkumen]

I never said inappropriate sexual conduct. You did.

Then what? It's a poorly executed letter, and it tells me nothing.