MG 2.0 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:23 am
malkie wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:58 am
You may have a point.
I haven't looked very
closely at the materials, but I'll take your word for it that there's something to worry about. Daily Signal is not part of my normal daily news reading - just like I wouldn't go to Fox if I wanted truthful reporting - and I will not be making it a part.
Couple of comments on what you say.
"... children being exposed to variant forms of sexual behavior and practice (using crude and provocative language) in schools." "When and where in the hell did schools ever get the idea that they had the right to usurp the responsibility and innate right and privilege of parents to guide and direct their children in such an important matter as sexuality?"
Children learn a lot of stuff at school - from other kids. Are you not aware of that? Better for them to learn properly from a knowledgeable source, I think, than to be restricted to what they learn in the school yard.
I would imagine that sexuality is an accepted part of the school curriculum, pretty much everywhere, not just in Florida. So likely not any "usurping" going on - just the normal functioning of the educational system. Schools "got the idea" because it was put in the curriculum. It's a serious topic, and teachers are usually trained in how to present the material. It may also be the case that a number of parents do not "guide and direct their children" on the topic. However, I would also expect that individual parents may have a right to have their own children exempted from sex ed classes if they choose to educate their children themselves.
Is it worth noting that, although there are some exceptions, of course, such as Utah, the states with the highest rates of teen pregnancies line up very well with the states with the highest rates of "religion" - or, at least, with church attendance? I don't know, and have not investigated the details, but I would guess that these are also the states where parents want schools to leave the teaching of sexuality to them. There may be some benefits after all in having professionals, armed with facts, teaching such an important matter as sexuality.
By the way, I have to admit that I'm not surprised that all of this suddenly came up in Florida during the time that DeSantis is looking at a White House run. One person's sex education is another person's pornography, especially when courting the religious right.
As I predicted. What I’m hearing so far is it’s “just OK” and “it’s all good”.
And, hey, if you didn’t notice or chose to ignore it, the major thrust of my post was to point out not only the teaching that is going on in the schools BUT THE PORNOGRAPHY in the libraries in BOOKS that are available to the students. Again, go to the link provided and dig deep. Look at what is IN the books which have been found in Florida schools and elsewhere. It’s disgusting.
Caught in the crosshairs.
They’ll learn it out on the playground anyway?
Give. Me. A. Break.
Anyway, so far I’m seeing just the response to my post that I would expect from secular folks that question religious institutions and activity and would like to see a secular and non religious world…a utopia of their own making.
A world without God.
OK - here's your break, as requested.
I did notice - and did concede that you may have a point. And, unfortunately, there may be some harm. But like in a lot of other things, some of which I expect you would support, there is almost always bad mixed in with the good. I also agree that there may be a good case for removing some books.
However, I thought that there were other points from your comment that were worth noting, and that I responded to, but you chose to ignore in your reply.
For example, do you still maintain that schools just up and usurp parents' rights by teaching sex ed? Should states be slapping schools down for daring to teach it all on their own, without so much as a 'by your leave'? You must be aware of the situation in your state, right? I believe yours is an 'opt-in' state for sex ed. But since you were a teacher I expect that you will know better than I do, and will correct me if necessary.
You may also be aware that, in your state, a bill was recently defeated in committee that would have had sex ed include information about informed consent, sexual violence, and coercion. In your state, sexual violence occurs at a rate above the national average. One might think that such a religious state, where parents can choose to teach their children about sex, instead
of in school, would be a model of sexual propriety.
Do you think that parents are generally better equipped, and willing, to teach their children about sex? Some may well be, but I suspect that a lot are not competent to teach comprehensive fact-based sex ed. It's noticeable that here's a broad correlation between more religious parts of the US and higher rates of teen pregnancy, and STDs. I may be mistaken, but I believe that we would also find that these are the areas with lower rates of comprehensive sex ed in schools. So perhaps parents, in general, are not able to do a better job than the schools after all. Perhaps that's probably why many state departments of education require sex ed in schools.
And, by the way, I believe that we already have a world without god.
If you want to see societies dominated by religion, there are plenty to choose from in this world. Are they your
"Being God is hard work. You know you’ve done your job right when no one is quite sure if you’ve done anything at all." - drumdude