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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:04 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:52 pm


:roll:

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Touché

I guess it then becomes an issue of what kind of social engineering we are comfortable with.

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MG
Obviously. You want church and state to be intertwined. Us evil secularists want church and state separated. You stick to indoctrinating kids with tales of Kolob and Othering humans, and we’ll stick to indoctrinating kids with horrific travesties like pluralism, sciences, and literature that addresses a wide array of topics.

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Marcus wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:12 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:33 pm
Here is the online catalog service my district uses. It appears to be national in scope, although I don't know the percentage of school district that use it.

https://www.gofollett.com/aasp/ui/pick/pick
Wow, great reference, thank you. All public school libraries in my town are there, as well as the private school libraries in the area, although the site decided I was a bot after looking up two schools back to back and kicked me out!

I'll try again later, because I am curious now to see what collections are chosen. Our town public library coordinates considerably with the schools (both local public and regional HS) to provide additional resources such as family library cards, space for after school tutoring, summer reading list access, computer and internet resources, etc, and My library Director works in the school system as well, also one of my library Trustees is also on the Board of Ed, so I am curious now to see how or if we coordinate book choices, etc. I'll report back, if anyone is interested.
Alpine School District in Utah Valley.

https://www.kuer.org/education/2022-11- ... l-district

A comment from the article:
“If you want your kids to read that stuff, you can go to the local library and check those books out.”
This is a possible solution I guess. Let parents be the gate keepers of their OWN children,

The problem is, there are those that want to force the content of these books on children and/or put the books right in front of their face/eyeballs.

Parents should be in charge. If Kishkumen or anyone else here wants their children to read the books in question, that many other parents are opposed to having in the school, take your child to the library and have at it.

Solution?

This is just one area where liberal leftists and conservatives are going to disagree. And again, this is pretty much the point, after all is said and done, of this thread. Do we want a world with or without compromise?

And how does that happen if one side or the other ridicules ‘the other’ for whatever reason?

Parents taking their own children to the public library would be a solution.

Open to compromise on this particular issue?

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MG
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:28 pm
You want church and state to be intertwined.

- Doc
This demonstrates that you haven’t been listening to what I’ve said. In one ear and out the other. If it even made it in in the first place.

Church is not synonymous with morality. Ask Res Ipsa. 🙂

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:38 pm
Morley wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:20 pm


You complain that no one understands you. When I reply and explain to you why that is, you brush it off, and in essence, say, 'live with it.'
This thread has become a microcosm of what society is evolving into. Whining and bellyaching with one side or the other not even listening for context and meaning. And one side accusing the other of being unreasonable and unjust.

Just a bunch of cherry pickers and nit pickers out to win the day. Social media is ALL ABOUT THAT. An enemy of civility.

And here we are. Civil society at its best…ha ha.

God help us.

Yes, Morley, live with it. It works both ways.

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MG
Once again, you either didn't read what I said, or if you did, you decided to change the subject.

Again:

1. you whinged
2. I replied to your complaint
3. you pretended I said something else
4. I asked you to read again what I wrote
5. and now, you're off on another subject, whinging about whinging


You need not worry, MG. Everyone takes you exactly as you present yourself. No one expects anything else from you, let alone me.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:20 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:52 pm
And it's exactly MG 2.0's style of bigotry that permits it to happen.
If you consider someone like Mitt Romney and his politics to be bigoted, then I guess I’m a bigot. But I don’t see him as a bigot. I see him as a model to pattern one’s political philosophy AND action after. I don’t think he would condone far right religious/political zealots in Idaho or anywhere else.

Same here.

Your misrepresentation is not appreciated.

And no matter what I say you keep throwing that ugly term at me.

Please stop.

I have, as I’ve said repeatedly, nothing against you as a person. I don’t care how you personally live YOUR life and what YOU believe. All men should be free to worship or not worship God.

I am ONLY opposed to the philosophical underpinnings of the secular field of THOUGHT. A world in which the absence of God is predicated to be the foundation of thought, morality, and human endeavor. I think it’s a mistaken philosophy and/or worldview and ultimately will lead society to a dark place if this trend among recent generations continues to take root and grow..

THAT, sir, is NOT bigotry.

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MG
You're not Mitt Romney.

I haven't misrepresented your words. Not at all. Over and over you've portrayed the mere existence of people who don't believe in God as an existential threat to civil society. You've made the sickening claim that people who simply do not believe in God support putting pornography in public school libraries. That kind of rhetoric is exactly why people feel justified in threatening librarians and their families with violence. We can all read your words. You aren't just talking about philosophy. You're demonizing and dehumanizing actual flesh and blood people.

You think the term is ugly? The actual bigotry you post here is million times uglier. DARVO

When will get it through your thick head that there is no "secular school of thought." The absence of a belief in something is not a school of thought. I don't believe that Bigfoot exits. Let's see, I'll make up something I'll label "littlefootists" and rail on endlessly about the "Littlefootists School of Thought. I'll claim that LIttlefootism is an existential threat to civil society and regurgitate things I hear like "Littlefootism promotes torture of cats." "Littlefootists want drag queens to molest your children."

But, in fact, all we are talking about is people who don't believe that Bigfoot exists. They don't have anything resembling a School of Thought. Their nonbelief in Bigfoot may be for any number of a dozen reasons. There is no reason to believe that they agree on anything else. They might be liberals, conservatives, libertarians, Marxists, fascists, anarchists, Mormons, Catholics, unitarians, atheists, satanists, cat lovers, cat haters, and on and on and on. THERE IS NO SCHOOL OF LITTLEFOOTIST THOUGHT.

What you are engaging in is simple, crystal clear bigotry. You are claiming that every single person that doesn't believe in God is an existential threat. Your invocation of "Secularism" is simply as way of trying to justify yourself and others that your bigotry is okay.

Here's a bet that I'd make if there were a way to objectively determine the winner. That emotion you are feeling that leads you ask me stop labeling your words as bigotry? That's cognitive dissonance. That's your "Light of Christ" trying to get it through your thick skull that your actions aren't consistent with your beliefs. Some part of your brain knows that accusing nonbelievers of promoting child pornography in schools is anti-Christlike. That you are treating your fellow humans in a way diametrically opposed to what Christ taught.

And that isn't going to go away unless you make a change. That Jiminy Cricket part of your brain is going to ask you each and every time you make the kind of bigoted statements about "secularists" that you've made throughout this thread "Am I a bigot?" You can deploy all of your skills of mental gymnastics and rationalization to convince yourself that, of course you're not a bigot. You can't be. You're a good person and bigots are bad people.

But that still small voice ain't going anywhere.

You can lower your moral code and adopt bigotry as a virtue. Or you can conform you actions to your moral code by not posting bigotry. That's kind of how cognitive dissonance works.

As for me, if you continue to posted bigoted nonsense, I will continue to label it as such.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:04 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:29 pm


Reading Malkie's words, I think it would be more accurate to say this comment was the last straw. But that's just another example of what people talk about when they say you don't pay attention to what other's say.
Can you point out the other ‘straws’ in this thread where I said something to malkie that would have warranted his making ‘hay’ over something I said to him? You’ve got to have a lot of straw to make hay.

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Nope. Malkie's words themselves are pretty clear. If they want to point out other examples, they are free to do.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:40 pm
Marcus wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:12 pm


Wow, great reference, thank you. All public school libraries in my town are there, as well as the private school libraries in the area, although the site decided I was a bot after looking up two schools back to back and kicked me out!

I'll try again later, because I am curious now to see what collections are chosen. Our town public library coordinates considerably with the schools (both local public and regional HS) to provide additional resources such as family library cards, space for after school tutoring, summer reading list access, computer and internet resources, etc, and My library Director works in the school system as well, also one of my library Trustees is also on the Board of Ed, so I am curious now to see how or if we coordinate book choices, etc. I'll report back, if anyone is interested.
Alpine School District in Utah Valley.

https://www.kuer.org/education/2022-11- ... l-district

A comment from the article:
“If you want your kids to read that stuff, you can go to the local library and check those books out.”
This is a possible solution I guess. Let parents be the gate keepers of their OWN children,

The problem is, there are those that want to force the content of these books on children and/or put the books right in front of their face/eyeballs.

Parents should be in charge. If Kishkumen or anyone else here wants their children to read the books in question, that many other parents are opposed to having in the school, take your child to the library and have at it.

Solution?

This is just one area where liberal leftists and conservatives are going to disagree. And again, this is pretty much the point, after all is said and done, of this thread. Do we want a world with or without compromise?

And how does that happen if one side or the other ridicules ‘the other’ for whatever reason?

Parents taking their own children to the public library would be a solution.

Open to compromise on this particular issue?

Regards,
MG
What MG 2.0 suggests is in no way a compromise. Just as saying that parents who object to books selected by the school to be in the library send their children to private school would not be a compromise.

Schools have adopted and I suspect will continue to adopt actual compromise solutions such as requiring prior parental permission to access books the parents object to, locating certain books in an area with restricted access that requires prior parental permission, etc. Those are solutions that allow parents to "gatekeep" their own children without "gatekeeping" everyone else's children.
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Morley wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:22 pm
Everyone takes you exactly as you present yourself.
That’s all I can ask.

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the RVO of DARVO explains quite explicitly mg's recent thread participation strategy. Hmm....
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:25 pm

You're not Mitt Romney.
Never said I was. But I do have many of the same political views that he has. I worked with his campaign organization here in Utah. Do I think he does everything right all of the time? No. Only most of the time. 🙂

But if the national election were held tomorrow my and the choice was between him and Trump, I’d vote for Romney in a heartbeat. I tend towards compromise and moderation.

You, kind sir, are trying mightily to set up a cardboard caricature of me. I’m sure you have your reasons. But I don’t think they would fall within the realm of civility.

Something else is going on here.

I won’t point my finger at what I think is going on, but I will say that I don’t think it is worthy of a decent and kind human being.

Regards,
MG
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