Hitler may have a better chance in heaven than ex-Mormon apostates

[Philo Sofee]

DCP: Whether Adolf Hitler actually has a chance at salvation, I do not know. I would hate to be standing in his shoes. I would especially hate to stand before God in his shoes.

Funny, I envisioned Russell M. Nelson and the last 12 years of apostles and First Presidencies in this conundrum through their deliberate deceptive lying about their money as a corporation literally deceiving and knowing they were doing so of both sides, the gentiles and the chosen Mormon peoples with their special discernment and priesthood. NO ONE KNEW... except the priesthood totin Brethren who deceived them all, as a matter of church/state for over a decade, their chosen path, not in ignorance or innocence of knowing the law, but in perfect alignment with deceiving the law being a law unto themselves, answerable to no one, anywhere, anytime, not even to........the lowly carpenter of Nazareth.

Three brethren for the Mormon peoples under the sky,
twelve set apart for testing all in their city of lies,
Seventy for spreading the deception upon all doomed to die.
One speaks alone for them all on his money throne
In the Land of Salt Lake City, where the shadows lie.
One man to rule them all, one choice to blind them.
One man to bring them all and in the deception bind them
In the land of Salt Lake City, where the shadows lie.

[drumdude]

DCP: Whether Adolf Hitler actually has a chance at salvation, I do not know. I would hate to be standing in his shoes. I would especially hate to stand before God in his shoes.

Funny, I envisioned Russell M. Nelson and the last 12 years of apostles and First Presidencies in this conundrum through their deliberate deceptive lying about their money as a corporation literally deceiving and knowing they were doing so of both sides, the gentiles and the chosen Mormon peoples with their special discernment and priesthood. NO ONE KNEW... except the priesthood totin Brethren who deceived them all, as a matter of church/state for over a decade, their chosen path, not in ignorance or innocence of knowing the law, but in perfect alignment with deceiving the law being a law unto themselves, answerable to no one, anywhere, anytime, not even to........the lowly carpenter of Nazareth.

Three brethren for the Mormon peoples under the sky,
twelve set apart for testing all in their city of lies,
Seventy for spreading the deception upon all doomed to die.
One speaks alone for them all on his money throne
In the Land of Salt Lake City, where the shadows lie.
One man to rule them all, one choice to blind them.
One man to bring them all and in the deception bind them
In the land of Salt Lake City, where the shadows lie.

“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Repeated not just once, but twice in three separate gospel accounts.

[sock puppet]

At various LDS Temples, Hitler was baptized eight times and was sealed to Eva Braun.

Won't it be glorious after Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have both died and the Mormons (major "victory for Satan") re-baptize and marry/seal Chad and Lori vicariously in a temple or in temples? What a marvelous work and a wonder!

[Gadianton]

Lol. Talk about a case of projection! “Self-destructively nurse their prideful grudges”? I never could have come up with a better description of the Mopologists than that. It’s absolutely perfect.

This is a great point with startling conclusions that I didn't appreciate until I put my pot of tea to the stove this morning.

First of all, the proprietor is preaching false doctrine, let's make that clear. No traditional atheist is a candidate for outer darkness. No run-of-the-mill apostate is a candidate. What's he going to church for every Sunday if he's making mistakes like this?

But suppose he's right. Then wouldn't it also be true that those who can never forgive critics would also be candidates? I mean, you can't convincingly say you're following Christ if you can't forgive your neighbor. What if the apologists can never forgive Grant Palmer no matter what? What if they can't forgive Richard Dawkins?

Now imagine this, Bertrand Russell stands before the Lord at the judgement and Dan is there as a witness. Suppose Bertrand Russell refuses to acknowledge that the man before him is God -- any alien civilization a hundred thousand years beyond ours could pull a stunt like this. And he's arrogant, pretends to be smoking the pipe he doesn't have, insults the Savior and Joseph Smith. He laughs at the three witnesses.

The problem Dan has is that if he's stipulating a Bertrand Russell type atheist willing to dig in and never accept God no matter what, then he must be first to forgive. Oh, it would be easy if any critic acknowledges that they were wrong and begs God for forgiveness, Dan will easily let it go then. But he's stipulating there will be atheists so angry that they'll continue to believe whatever they want all the way to outer darkness, and that means that Dan must forgive all of them while they are at their peak of defiance.

But he can't just quickly let it go, realizing his plans of eating out with friends will be ruined for eternity. He has to really forgive them, and really mean it. And he has to forgive first.

And what better way to prepare for the judgement than to learn to forgive first while here on earth? Henry Eyring has made it clear that it's no easier to do the work and live commandments in the Spirit World than here. It looks like Dan's new doctrine, if true, will pose him substantial issues down the line.

[I Have Questions]

Lol. Talk about a case of projection! “Self-destructively nurse their prideful grudges”? I never could have come up with a better description of the Mopologists than that. It’s absolutely perfect.

This is a great point with startling conclusions that I didn't appreciate until I put my pot of tea to the stove this morning.

First of all, the proprietor is preaching false doctrine, let's make that clear. No traditional atheist is a candidate for outer darkness. No run-of-the-mill apostate is a candidate. What's he going to church for every Sunday if he's making mistakes like this?

But suppose he's right. Then wouldn't it also be true that those who can never forgive critics would also be candidates? I mean, you can't convincingly say you're following Christ if you can't forgive your neighbor. What if the apologists can never forgive Grant Palmer no matter what? What if they can't forgive Richard Dawkins?

Now imagine this, Bertrand Russell stands before the Lord at the judgement and Dan is there as a witness. Suppose Bertrand Russell refuses to acknowledge that the man before him is God -- any alien civilization a hundred thousand years beyond ours could pull a stunt like this. And he's arrogant, pretends to be smoking the pipe he doesn't have, insults the Savior and Joseph Smith. He laughs at the three witnesses.

The problem Dan has is that if he's stipulating a Bertrand Russell type atheist willing to dig in and never accept God no matter what, then he must be first to forgive. Oh, it would be easy if any critic acknowledges that they were wrong and begs God for forgiveness, Dan will easily let it go then. But he's stipulating there will be atheists so angry that they'll continue to believe whatever they want all the way to outer darkness, and that means that Dan must forgive all of them while they are at their peak of defiance.

But he can't just quickly let it go, realizing his plans of eating out with friends will be ruined for eternity. He has to really forgive them, and really mean it. And he has to forgive first.

And what better way to prepare for the judgement than to learn to forgive first while here on earth? Henry Eyring has made it clear that it's no easier to do the work and live commandments in the Spirit World than here. It looks like Dan's new doctrine, if true, will pose him substantial issues down the line.

Dan seems to be incapable of forgiving Christopher Hitchens, and he reinforces that lack of forgiveness nearly every single day. How does that grudge-holding sit in the grand scheme of things?

[drumdude]

This is a great point with startling conclusions that I didn't appreciate until I put my pot of tea to the stove this morning.

First of all, the proprietor is preaching false doctrine, let's make that clear. No traditional atheist is a candidate for outer darkness. No run-of-the-mill apostate is a candidate. What's he going to church for every Sunday if he's making mistakes like this?

But suppose he's right. Then wouldn't it also be true that those who can never forgive critics would also be candidates? I mean, you can't convincingly say you're following Christ if you can't forgive your neighbor. What if the apologists can never forgive Grant Palmer no matter what? What if they can't forgive Richard Dawkins?

Now imagine this, Bertrand Russell stands before the Lord at the judgement and Dan is there as a witness. Suppose Bertrand Russell refuses to acknowledge that the man before him is God -- any alien civilization a hundred thousand years beyond ours could pull a stunt like this. And he's arrogant, pretends to be smoking the pipe he doesn't have, insults the Savior and Joseph Smith. He laughs at the three witnesses.

The problem Dan has is that if he's stipulating a Bertrand Russell type atheist willing to dig in and never accept God no matter what, then he must be first to forgive. Oh, it would be easy if any critic acknowledges that they were wrong and begs God for forgiveness, Dan will easily let it go then. But he's stipulating there will be atheists so angry that they'll continue to believe whatever they want all the way to outer darkness, and that means that Dan must forgive all of them while they are at their peak of defiance.

But he can't just quickly let it go, realizing his plans of eating out with friends will be ruined for eternity. He has to really forgive them, and really mean it. And he has to forgive first.

And what better way to prepare for the judgement than to learn to forgive first while here on earth? Henry Eyring has made it clear that it's no easier to do the work and live commandments in the Spirit World than here. It looks like Dan's new doctrine, if true, will pose him substantial issues down the line.

Dan seems to be incapable of forgiving Christopher Hitchens, and he reinforces that lack of forgiveness nearly every single day. How does that grudge-holding sit in the grand scheme of things?

It accomplishes a lot with very little work, just the effort of copying and pasting. Denigrates the memory of a dead man who can't defend himself, pads the word count in his blog posts that patheos pays him for, and maintains a sense of hostility towards critics which gets reflected back in his blog's comment section.

[Philo Sofee]

This is a great point with startling conclusions that I didn't appreciate until I put my pot of tea to the stove this morning.

First of all, the proprietor is preaching false doctrine, let's make that clear. No traditional atheist is a candidate for outer darkness. No run-of-the-mill apostate is a candidate. What's he going to church for every Sunday if he's making mistakes like this?

But suppose he's right. Then wouldn't it also be true that those who can never forgive critics would also be candidates? I mean, you can't convincingly say you're following Christ if you can't forgive your neighbor. What if the apologists can never forgive Grant Palmer no matter what? What if they can't forgive Richard Dawkins?

Now imagine this, Bertrand Russell stands before the Lord at the judgement and Dan is there as a witness. Suppose Bertrand Russell refuses to acknowledge that the man before him is God -- any alien civilization a hundred thousand years beyond ours could pull a stunt like this. And he's arrogant, pretends to be smoking the pipe he doesn't have, insults the Savior and Joseph Smith. He laughs at the three witnesses.

The problem Dan has is that if he's stipulating a Bertrand Russell type atheist willing to dig in and never accept God no matter what, then he must be first to forgive. Oh, it would be easy if any critic acknowledges that they were wrong and begs God for forgiveness, Dan will easily let it go then. But he's stipulating there will be atheists so angry that they'll continue to believe whatever they want all the way to outer darkness, and that means that Dan must forgive all of them while they are at their peak of defiance.

But he can't just quickly let it go, realizing his plans of eating out with friends will be ruined for eternity. He has to really forgive them, and really mean it. And he has to forgive first.

And what better way to prepare for the judgement than to learn to forgive first while here on earth? Henry Eyring has made it clear that it's no easier to do the work and live commandments in the Spirit World than here. It looks like Dan's new doctrine, if true, will pose him substantial issues down the line.

Dan seems to be incapable of forgiving Christopher Hitchens, and he reinforces that lack of forgiveness nearly every single day. How does that grudge-holding sit in the grand scheme of things?

Oh it's just fine in that case. It's just an evil atheist. I'm sure God could care less if Peterson continually lambasts him.... I mean, after all, they get to do the baptism for the dead for Hitchins, so Mormonism WINS regardless. Go ahead and shill against him for a few centuries, won't hurt a thang.......

[Philo Sofee]

Dan seems to be incapable of forgiving Christopher Hitchens, and he reinforces that lack of forgiveness nearly every single day. How does that grudge-holding sit in the grand scheme of things?

It accomplishes a lot with very little work, just the effort of copying and pasting. Denigrates the memory of a dead man who can't defend himself, pads the word count in his blog posts that patheos pays him for, and maintains a sense of hostility towards critics which gets reflected back in his blog's comment section.

The essence of true Mormon apologetic missionary work at its best....... loving? Oh hells no! We go for kickin' in the balls then gigglin' while they are bent over in pain. That's so much more effective in our opinions as defenders of the faith. Conversions? Pfft! Screw that, we are decimating arguments, a vastly more important thing to do for the Kingdom of God with which we Ph.D's are much more capable of doing than the mere prophets who don't understand the Gospel on nearly the level of depth our learning has given us. The prophets are useful... in some ways..... for those without the higher degrees. For the rest of us our degrees launch us beyond even the 2nd anointed ones in Israel. WE shall be the gods..... and all will bow knee to our knowledge and acknowledge we were right all along, and then we can smugly slam them for not seeing the obvious! It is our glory we seek, and we shall prevail! Books always prevail over priesthood. Even Elohim are by now, surely, impressed with our vast fund of knowledge gleaned through decades of learned analysis and discourse, scholarly peer reviewed papers and books, many published through university presses, something even God's own prophets have not yet accomplished, ha! We are the blessed of the gods, and shall continue to say so since it is so obvious to everyone who isn't biased.