The arrogant Mormon “Type A” mindset that got 4 generations killed

[Marcus]

I'm sorry for your loss.

Yes, it seems pretty clear there was 'a Mormon point,' as the quotes in many posts have demonstrated. The only thing that can be done now is try to avoid future similar occurrences. Pointing out that the Mormon mind-set contributed significantly to the gross negligence does that.

Nothing in this thread is new. All close to those involved are well aware. There was a cause to what happened, and a point to be made about it. But it's not a Mormon point...

In my opinion it is. I'm sure they were good people, as all are, but praying for protection when you haven't done all you could to be safe is religious arrogance combined with avoidable negligence, which in this case was fatal. It is a 'Mormon issue', all too often.

[drumdude]

Nothing in this thread is new. All close to those involved are well aware. There was a cause to what happened, and a point to be made about it. But it's not a Mormon point...

In my opinion it is. I'm sure they were good people, as all are, but praying for protection when you haven't done all you could to be safe is religious arrogance combined with avoidable negligence, which in this case was fatal. It is a 'Mormon issue', all too often.

Yep. And most reports neglected to point out the Mormon issue and the fact that they were leaders of a Mormon MLM scheme.

The thing that is new is the comprehensive video about the pilot, the timeline, and his utter stupidity ignoring everything around him. Hence the video linked in the original post.

[toon]

In my opinion it is. I'm sure they were good people, as all are, but praying for protection when you haven't done all you could to be safe is religious arrogance combined with avoidable negligence, which in this case was fatal. It is a 'Mormon issue', all too often.

Yep. And most reports neglected to point out the Mormon issue and the fact that they were leaders of a Mormon MLM scheme.

The thing that is new is the comprehensive video about the pilot, the timeline, and his utter stupidity ignoring everything around him. Hence the video linked in the original post.

So if someone is X and involved in Y, then Z can be attributed to that.

Once again, screw you.

(I actually wrote “screw” knowing that if I had used a different word, it still would have read the same. Funny thing as I don’t they automatically edit out “cunt.” So, apparently, “F” < cunt on the offensive meter here.)

[toon]

And I understand that my use of “cunt” will likely be edited because I suspect that’s potential so much more offensive to some than using a tragedy, a real tragedy with people who are still hurting, to make some stupid Mormon point.

What’s worse than a faithful, self assured and self-righteous Mormon? A self assured and self-righteous ex-Mormon.

[drumdude]

Yep. And most reports neglected to point out the Mormon issue and the fact that they were leaders of a Mormon MLM scheme.

The thing that is new is the comprehensive video about the pilot, the timeline, and his utter stupidity ignoring everything around him. Hence the video linked in the original post.

So if someone is X and involved in Y, then Z can be attributed to that.

Once again, screw you.

(I actually wrote “screw” knowing that if I had used a different word, it still would have read the same. Funny thing as I don’t they automatically edit out “cunt.” So, apparently, “F” < cunt on the offensive meter here.)

It's a pretty neat trick calling the founders of the Kyani MLM scam "involved."

Yeah, they were involved all the way to the bank.

I'm sure they were great guys though, scamming all those people out of their time and money. Real pillars of the community, if you measure one's worth by the amount of money tithed to the LDS church.

[toon]

So if someone is X and involved in Y, then Z can be attributed to that.

Once again, screw you.

(I actually wrote “screw” knowing that if I had used a different word, it still would have read the same. Funny thing as I don’t they automatically edit out “cunt.” So, apparently, “F” < cunt on the offensive meter here.)

It's a pretty neat trick calling the founders of the Kyani MLM scam "involved."

Yeah, they were involved all the way to the bank.

I'm sure they were great guys though, scamming all those people out of their time and money. Real pillars of the community, if you measure one's worth by the amount of money tithed to the LDS church.

Ok. Nobody said anyone was a great guy. It was a damned tragedy. Full stop. There is blame to go around. But you are not acting in good faith. There are people who are still really hurting about this. You gloating over their graves doesn’t advance anything. Don’t be a JD Vance in doubling down on stupidity.

But are you saying that because a couple on that plane were involved in some MLM scam, that this and their mentality and their Mormon A-type mentality led to what happened? Theres a logical disconnect in that argument. If X and Y (forget the word “involved”), doesn’t mean Z.

[drumdude]

It's a pretty neat trick calling the founders of the Kyani MLM scam "involved."

Yeah, they were involved all the way to the bank.

I'm sure they were great guys though, scamming all those people out of their time and money. Real pillars of the community, if you measure one's worth by the amount of money tithed to the LDS church.

Ok. Nobody said anyone was a great guy. It was a damned tragedy. Full stop. There is blame to go around. But you are not acting in good faith. There are people who are still really hurting about this. You gloating over their graves doesn’t advance anything. Don’t be a JD Vance in doubling down on stupidity.

But are you saying that because a couple on that plane were involved in some MLM scam, that this and their mentality and their Mormon A-type mentality led to what happened? Theres a logical disconnect in that argument. If X and Y (forget the word “involved”), doesn’t mean Z.

You're right. If a raging alcoholic kills their family crashing their car on the highway, there's not a logical connection that they were drunk. It's entirely possible that they actually had a stroke and were completely sober.

I'm sure the personality of this Mormon MLM founder had nothing to do with his actions, and was completely out of character. He was probably the nicest MLM founder, and probably was friends with the nicest drug cartel leader.

[Moksha]

But are you saying that because a couple on that plane were involved in some MLM scam, that this and their mentality and their Mormon A-type mentality led to what happened?

I think I understand what you are saying, there are MLM scammers who are not Mormon even though Mormons have an affinity for that sort of thing. Charles Ponzi was not a Mormon and never owned a plane much less lived in Idaho.

Many Mormons got involved with Shaklee, Amway, Avon, Mary Kay, and Tupperware. However, I wish more Tupperware distributors were around since I want to buy some lightweight microwavable bowls. That would suit my senior cooking style.

Those two children aboard were doomed to not survive due to sitting in the aisle thus not having seat belts, otherwise, children seem more resilient to crashes.

[I Have Questions]

We can say with certainty that the pilot was reckless. Taking off in those conditions, against professional advice = reckless.

We can also say the pilot was arrogant. He took off because he thought he knew better than everyone else.

We can also say that the pilot was negligent towards his family. Risking himself is one thing. Risking his whole family is on an entirely different level. Risking them in a situation where he’s been advised not to take off, where he’s overloaded the plane, where he’s got children sat in the aisle without seatbelts because there are too many people on the plane. Well. That’s criminal. It’s manslaughter. It’s reckless endangerment.

Then you’ve got the other adult family members who could have persuaded him to not take off, or to refuse to board the plane under such conditions. They also have a level of culpability.

This isn’t a little mistake. Going slightly over the speed limit because you weren’t paying attention. Had the pilot lived he should have gone to jail for a very long time.

[Tapir Rodeo]

It's not exclusive to Mormonism. Type A personalities are not exclusive to Mormonism. I suspect nobody contests that, but I'm not even sure that it's more prevalent in Mormonism than elsewhere.

Mormonism is BS. But let's also deal with it for what it is, instead of spitting on people like I'm seeing here.

I know a lot of type A people. The only ones I know who killed themselves and their own kids in preventable accidents (due to extreme recklessness) were Mormons.