The unmerited ego is why I'm tough on him. I know it's hard to penetrate Dunning-Kruger types.Shulem wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:24 pm
Okay, wow, I finished the 4 hour Vogel smackdown committed by Lars in support of the Spalding theory through his own academic lenses. And there is yet part II to follow? omfg
Dan, he is out to get you! He is out to ruin you! He is out to bury you in a pile of dung. His ego is inflated and it shows!
I will be glad to offer more commentary and insight from my perspective, all in good time.
PS. I would not have been able to watch the whole thing had I not sped it up to 1.25 as you suggested.
The beat goes on! Bill4long, hell yeah!
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Okay, I get that. Perhaps in one of your threads you may like to create a simple list of things that impressed you where Lars makes some great hits or expressed some great points in his presentation that have no bearing on proving his theory. Surely Lars has something good to contribute in all of what he presented in his book. It would be nice to shower compliments where they are deserved if there are any. I would like to know what those points are where he really hit the marks.
Anyway, think about it.
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I would love to give compliments, but Nielsen's book is a specimen of pseudo-scholarship. It is fatally flawed on a conceptual level and factually wrong in several key places. He can't even get basic Mormon history right.Shulem wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:39 pm
Okay, I get that. Perhaps in one of your threads you may like to create a simple list of things that impressed you where Lars makes some great hits or expressed some great points in his presentation that have no bearing on proving his theory. Surely Lars has something good to contribute in all of what he presented in his book. It would be nice to shower compliments where they are deserved if there are any. I would like to know what those points are where he really hit the marks.
Anyway, think about it.
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He doesn't come off as evil or anything. Just a newbie who has enough skills to be in the shallow end of the pool when he thinks he's qualified for the deep end. Humility is key to progress.Shulem wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:39 pmOkay, I get that. Perhaps in one of your threads you may like to create a simple list of things that impressed you where Lars makes some great hits or expressed some great points in his presentation that have no bearing on proving his theory. Surely Lars has something good to contribute in all of what he presented in his book. It would be nice to shower compliments where they are deserved if there are any. I would like to know what those points are where he really hit the marks.
Lars, admitting you're wrong is a super power. It really is. Embrace it.
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bill4long wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:10 pmHe doesn't come off as evil or anything. Just a newbie who has enough skills to be in the shallow end of the pool when he thinks he's qualified for the deep end. Humility is key to progress.
Lars, admitting you're wrong is a super power. It really is. Embrace it.
Well, it's a big subject and there really is a lot to it. I'm pretty much just watching from the sidelines trying to learn and will gladly offer my two-cents. I really do hope that Lars comes to the board and engages Vogel. Lars can't maintain credibility if he refuses and his book sales will suffer for that reason alone. Have you bought his book?
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I appreciate everyone's comments. Thanks.