Study shows LDS Church participation increases risk to children from abusers

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Not for the victims.

They're safety and well being is compromised by the person (s) that exercises their agency to do harm.

Cause and effect. That is the nature of living in a world in which human nature rules the day.

Regards,
MG

Any your Mormon God lets it happen without intervening. Remember, confess God's hand in ALL THINGS. D&C 59:21. Ergo, Mormon God is immoral for letting this happen to children, especially since his "church" is the vehicle that gave the predator the access to the child in the first place. Shame on you, Mormon God.

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So, God supposedly inspires the leaders to install molesters in positions where they can molest...

Yeah, right. That's so lame.

Regards,
MG

Indeed. Immoral Mormon God is the lamest of them all.

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...and doesn't seem to realize that like wolves go to where the sheep are, molesters go where children are...

Whether by my own voice or the voice of my servants, it is the same.

Regards,
MG

Exactly. When the bishop molests a child, it is the same as if Mormon God himself was molesting the child. Mormon God is quite immoral. Shame on Mormon God for molesting children through His proxy bishops.

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It was with utter arrogance an LDS leader announced they were the gold standard of child safety when they were straggling decades behind common knowledge.

Astoundingly, at the point Church Leaders signed off on a statement congratulating themselves for a gold standard for child safety, they knew for a fact they were neck deep in an epidemic of cases of Church Leaders sexually abusing minors. At the point they declared their own gold standard, they were in fact covering up thousands of cases of instititional failure on child safety.

Church Leaders acting for and on behalf of Mormon God epitomise dishonesty.

[MG 2.0]

Agency works within the confines of the biology and genetics.

Regards,
MG

Who created the biology and genetics? Did the Mormon deity create them? If so, they are his responsibility. If not, who or what did?

The laws that govern the universe would seemingly be eternal. God (s), being "world's without end", would be subject to that law. Even if you don't believe in a creator or mastermind behind the universe I think it would still be a reasonable point of view to have that the universe came into being through a certain 'program', if you will, that resulted in the finely tuned state we find ourselves in. If you put God into the picture as the source of our being in its physical/temporal form, it appears as thought that God/creator would be bound by certain laws.

Opposites exist. That being said, the eternal law that grounds all existence/being would be 'finely tuned' so that there are things that act and things that are acted on. This results in what we observe as cause and effect. For things to act and be acted upon it seems reasonable to think that choice would play its part along with randomness that also seems to play its part.

To think that God, being subject to the laws that govern the universe, would then disregard those same laws in order to inhibit the natural course of things as actors and things being acted upon is a jump in logic. If the universe is created/formed to 'behave' in a certain way, and if God is subject to those same laws that govern the universe...why would we expect that God would intervene in the natural course of things frequently and upset the natural order of things?

The earth, its creatures, the solar system...all that we observe and see follow a certain 'program' that is built into the system. All the 'crap' that is part and parcel of our existence...including what we refer to as 'evil' ...is build into the system by default.

You are living within that system and cannot escape it. Opposites exist. Actors and those acted upon exist. Agency exists within that system in order to no fall prey to the 'darkness' and to gravitate towards 'light'. That can only be done in a world such as the one we find ourselves in. To think that God plays His part in the scheme of things that we find ourselves participants in does not seem unreasonable at all, to me.

It is good to have faith in a higher power that we are subject to and receive all that we have, including the next breath we take. God's responsibility only goes so far. We are accountable to God for our actions and thought. He is responsible for the forces that resulted in our being.

Genetics and biology play an important part in the plan of life. And this creates/results in its own set of 'realities' in which things act and things are acted upon.

That impacts the 'ideal' of agency and choice.

But, in my opinion, God...being the creator...is well aware of that and has provided a path forward into the future which is fair and provides the opportunity for growth and happiness. And if not here, in the hereafter.

Life on this planet is here and gone in the blink of an eye.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Bypassing the off-topic abstract rambling:

It was with utter arrogance an LDS leader announced they were the gold standard of child safety when they were straggling decades behind common knowledge.

Astoundingly, at the point Church Leaders signed off on a statement congratulating themselves for a gold standard for child safety, they knew for a fact they were neck deep in an epidemic of cases of Church Leaders sexually abusing minors. At the point they declared their own gold standard, they were in fact covering up thousands of cases of instititional failure on child safety.

Church Leaders epitomise dishonesty.

it makes you wonder what they really do care about. There are very practical measures the rest of the world puts in place, standardized, universal best-practices measures so that we, as those responsible for children, are being as efficient and as effective as possible. The LDS church doesn't have universal measures, and the few they have are in places where the law, the non-religious law, is forcing them into it. Weigh that against the incredible amounts of time, money, and effort they put into cover-ups and protecting abusive adults, and the only conclusion one can come to is that the LDS church fails in doing their human best to protect children. No amount of abstract 'above my pay grade,' 'just believe,' and 'you're damaged if you don't believe what I believe' hides that.

[MG 2.0]

Bypassing the off-topic abstract rambling:

Sheeesh. Shove off, Marcus. I was responding to Chap. You have absolutely NO authority to get in the way of a conversation between other posters. You do NOT control this board in regards to 'canceling' conversation between posters that you may not particularly like to see.

I would encourage Chap and others to actually read the post I made in response to him. If it doesn't warrant any further response, fine.

But doggone it, Marcus. You are a pain in the arse when you keep doing this shenanigans. I would expect others might agree if they weren't afraid of your wrath.

Cut it out. You've been asked before. Stubborn woman.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

...It's the problem of evil and your response of God partially intervening in the world yet not intervening to stop evil makes him part of the problem, really makes your understanding of whatever God is, if there is a God, suspect or makes him into someone not worth of any worship. When God steps in, God takes ownership of his religion and should be blamed when his organization covers up molestation crimes or tax crimes, etc. I think the better answer is some sort of Deist thing where the God figure never intervenes or simply that there isn't a god like you envision or no god.

It's hard to argue with this except I might add that it's the Mormon leaders and some Mormon members who tell us when the Mormon god intervenes. in my opinion, they generally chase coincidences and ignore the hard misses. Maybe they don't realize how obvious that is, but no amount of 'trust me' or 'just believe' quiets the concern that there is really no consistency or legitimate intervention. I agree with your thought that the Deist thing might be a more humane definition of a godlike bring.